These guys are all too low: 4.Pernell Whitaker 6.Carlos Monzon 10.Julio Cesar Chavez 13.Michael Spinks 15.Jose Napoles 20.Emile Griffith These guys are all too high: 3.Roy Jones Jr 7.Thomas Hearns 8.Marvin Hagler 9.Aaron Pryor
My name isn't Bill. Here's my alternative 25 from 1970-now: 1.Roberto Duran 2.Sugar Ray Leonard 3.Roy Jones Jr 4.Pernell Whitaker 5.Alexis Arguello 6.Carlos Monzon 7.Thomas Hearns 8.Marvin Hagler 9.Aaron Pryor 10.Julio Cesar Chavez 11.Evander Holyfield 12.Bernard Hopkins 13.Michael Spinks 14.Lennox Lewis 15.Jose Napoles 16.Ricardo Lopez 17.Floyd Mayweather Jr 18.James Toney 19.Mike Tyson 20.Emile Griffith 21.Wilfredo Gomez 22.Bob Foster 23.Mike McCallum 24.Carlos Zarate 25.Manny Pacquiao/Larry Holmes Shits all over yours, don't it??[/QUOTE] Where's Ali?
How can Camacho be ahead of Pedroza - well how can Pedro not make the list at all? How close is Pintor considering Chandler is there? And perhaps worst of all - WTheF is Spinks?
Ultimate p4p list 1970-2002 revised Hagler Roy Jones Alexis Arguello Ali Bob Foster Roberto Duran Napoles Larry Holmes Victor Galindez Ruben Olivares Salvador Sanchez Micheal Spinks Cuevas Aaron Pryor Hearns George Foreman McCallum Terry Norris Pernell Whitaker Jeff Chandler Camacho Mike Tyson JC Chavez DLH Ray Leonard Julian Jackson Sorry but Pedroza couldn't make it. The draw with Taylor soured me on him, the two robberies with Lockridge, that sort of thing. Pintor would be a worth addition. Where should I put him?
Getting better :good Bit of a hard call on Pedro. I scored both Lockridge fights for him as did many experts. At worst one of those could be called a draw in which case he retains anyway. As for the draw with Taylor - if memory serves me right the super fast Taylor ran all night and did bugger all offensively. He really didn't draw that fight unless memory fails me. Personally i'd have Pintor before Terry but to each their own. Foreman, regardless of one great win and achievement needs to be scrutinised. Is one of the greatest wins in history enough due to it's circumstancial nature? Are we rewarding age too much? Galindez will have to be eased out too IMO. Saad might rate ahead, i'll have to rethink. I will have a deep look tonight and make a few suggestions further. Julian Jackson must be in by the skin of his teeth.
Hagler Roy Jones Alexis Arguello Ali Bob Foster Roberto Duran Napoles Larry Holmes Victor Galindez Saad Muhammud Salvador Sanchez Micheal Spinks Cuevas Aaron Pryor Hearns George Foreman McCallum Terry Norris Pernell Whitaker Jeff Chandler Camacho Mike Tyson DLH Ray Leonard Julian Jackson I can't put Pedroza in with this group, certainly not replacing Camacho. Hector was a 3 time world champion and never knocked out. Pedroza been stopped and has no real speed or power. Sometimes got gift decisions.
John I recommend Galindez-Rossman 1 and 2 if nothing else for entertainment value. It was towards the end of his title reign but give him credit, he prevailed in the rematch. Mike fought a great fight in the first and cut him to ribbons but Vic would not be denied in a rematch. This is why rematches are so important. Anyhow, Victor did rule for 4 years in a tough division. I only wish I had his title eliminator match with Len Hutchins.