H2H Usyk beats Wlad...but Vitali is a 50-50 fight

And which of Wlad's opponents would beat him? Haye? Povetkin? Ray Austin, maybe?

We recently did a poll on it and the community agrees with me. Which is right, because it is obvious. Wlad's era was the poorest in heavyweight history, and he lost to very poor fighters.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...itschko-era-or-the-post-klitschko-era.737807/

Based on absolutely nothing,

 

Those versions of Wlad would have beaten his opposition too. You can't even begin to argue any of Wlad's opponents being better than Fury and AJ other than Povetkin, and he most likely falls short as well.

 

Usyk beats both imo.

He has a better chance of stopping Wlad, but I think Vitali is the easier match-up for him.

 

I don't know. He could lose to any of the better ones in an upset because we know boxers who have so many fights or fight for so many years do tend to lose. The onus is on you to prove that you can extrapolate an exceptional 69-0 over 21 years from Usyk's 24-0 (or 30-0) over 12 years. I've gone into great detail on why it's not likely and you've offered nothing. You've completely failed to explain a scenario where Usyk can do Wlad's opposition in order (over however many years you like, or turning Usyk pro at whatever age you like) and go 69-0.
If Mike Tyson had retired at 37-0 people would be similarly arguing he 'would have' gone 50-0 or even 100-0 .... but in reality he couldn't even go 38-0.

Wlad's was a poor era.
But there is nothing to show Fury and Wilder and Joshua and Dubois were any better. Nothing.
David Haye, who wasn't even much good, sparked Chisora out in a few rounds back in 2012. And Chisora has been used as a viable gatekeeper for this era every since, he even took Whyte and Parker to close disputed decisions.
Like I said, Joshua literally has old recycled Wlad challengers among his 'best wins'.
And Wilder has maybe the worst challengers on average ever.

Wladimir was boring and the Germany-based promotion didn't capture the imagination and he suffered from dominating mediocre division for so long.
Whereas comeback Fury, Wilder and Joshua were well promoted/marketed mainly by the the UK promoters, and with contrasting styles and personalities. Even Dillian Whyte was mass marketed.
Yes of course most people will buy into the marketing.
Fury, the "lineal champion" of the era in question was taking years off and fighting tune ups with Sefer Seferi and struggling with 0-0 Ngannou. He fought one mandatory challenger, a guy that had been KOd by a 40 year old recycled Wlad chsllenger. If you're impressed with all that, that's on you.

 

(he didn't lose a round in 10 years).
Ridiculous claim

 

I don't think this answers anything I said in any useful way, so I am going to leave it lie where it is, and history will judge.

 

Usyk is a special fighter but I’m not sure what you are basing the fact that he can obviously crack hard enough, he’s not knocked anyone out with that had a decent jaw. The knockouts against DDD wouldn’t trouble many in the division. I think he beats both of them but he doesn’t knock them out.

 

Fair enough I don’t have a problem with that concept

 

Considering a old Pulev was top 10 for a while and a shot Chisora still kicking around I wouldn't be so confident in the talent of this generation. A 41 year old just doesn't compare favorably to their 30 year old self, it's simple biology

Povetkin at 39 was arguably outboxing joshua until he gassed. Haye at his best could KO aj and befuddle Fury. Samuel Peter could pressure joshua and knock him out like Dubois and Ruiz did. Byrd would make aj look stupid. Tony Thompson, Chagaev and Ibragimov are collectively better than Parker, Takam and Whyte, Chambers is levels above Franklin etc.

 

He wasn't. AJ was winning on every judges' scorecard.

That's why the 90's suck since the 45 year old won the crown in that decade.

 

There is nothing to discuss here, according to the judges it would have been a draw.

 

Foreman is an all time great with KO power, Pulev checks neither of those boxes

But he shouldn't have been. Povetkin was landing the cleaner shots more consistently, check the RBR. One judge had aj beating Usyk lmfao

 

He was still 45 years old. He should have no chance with the top heavyweights of the "strongest era ever". Strongest era ever who had a blown up light heavyweight and a crusierweight as champions mind you.

Everybody had AJ winning that fight until the stoppage except for the AJ haters, so nope. AJ was outboxing him, oputlanding him 2 to 1.

 

Foreman would KO everyone in this era bar Usyk. He was just that effective of a puncher and many thought he was good enough to kill Muhammad Ali in his prime. He was that good

Check the RBR and rewatch the fight, every reasonable scorer had Povetkin ahead. He was outboxing joshua or just about. Those rounds were close, Povetkin was slow, had delayed reflexes and no stamina. Prime Povetkin would wipe aj