Vic Darchinyan is the undisputed/lineal 115 champion

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After several rumors of WBO Super Flyweight champ Fernando Montiel having hard time making the 115 limit, it's almost official that Nonito Donaire, who was to fight the Mexican for the title, will fight Jose Lopez in March for the vacated title instead, and Montiel will look for the 118 WBO title vs. Erik Morel.

    Since Montiel hasn't made a defense since May 2008, and since then Vic Darcinyan beat Kirilov and unified the rest of the titles knocking out Mijares, he should now be called the undisputed super flyweight champion of the world, although Montiel hasn't vacated yet.

    But that doesn't mean anything, Montiel is not going to fight at 115 anymore, so The Ring should either give the title immidiately to Vic and pick up the linealage from the Mijares fight, or wait until February 7 with that, when Darcinyan fights 'regular' WBA champ Arce. In practice, there will be no other reigning champion left after that fight.

    Of course expect Montiel promoter Arum to hold back the vacating of the WBO title so The Ring cannot give their title to the Darchinyan-Arce winner, but then again: it's formality.

    Vic Darchinyan is now the true, lineal, undisputed super flyweight champion of the world.
     
  2. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Completely against Ring belt rules.

    Ring title is nothing to do with alphabet belts. Arce is not rated highly enough by them to make his fight against Darchinyan for the ring belt, whether Montiel is in the division or not.
     
  3. Quick'N'Slick

    Quick'N'Slick Active Member Full Member

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    What are you talking about? The Ring title is not the same as the linear title, it never was.

    Learn a thing or two about Ring magazines rules before posting next time
     
  4. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course, you're right, but the Mijares-Darchinyan winner didn't become lineal and The Ring champ only because Montiel was there in the 2nd spot, and both for the linealage and The Ring belt, no1 and 2 has to meet. But since May 2008, Montiel never returned to 115 and never will, so when Mijares and Vic met, you could say that the no1 and number 2 guy fought each other.

    Of course The Ring won't go back in time, and just simply give the title to Vic, although that would be correct IMO. But think like this: as Montiel moves up to BW, Cristian Mijares will take over the no2 rating according to The Ring. Should he beat the same Mijares he just knocked out just because of these rules?
     
  5. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Darchinyan holds all three titles, and is therefore undisputed champion.
     
  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did I say it's the same? No!

    So STFU NOOB! :deal
     
  7. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    He did the way I consider lineage.

    Yes. Same situation exists at welterweight, where Margarito will have to beat Cotto again to win the Ring belt.
     
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    El Travieso gonna tap that ass come feb 7th.
     
  9. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well... that's just stupid, isn't it?
     
  10. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    They have clear rules for how to resolve a vacant belt.

    Seems to work quite well on the whole tbh
     
  11. MrMagic

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    He's the only undisputed champion.

    Easily top10 p4p.
     
  12. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No he's not. If he beats the winner of the upcoming bout b/n montiel/
    donaire(the man who KO'd him) then he's the champ.
     
  13. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You must have missed the news. Montiel/donaire in march for the WBO 115 belt.
     
  14. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, it's their rule book, so I shouldn't argue with that... but it's still stupid... as Montiel is out, the Darchinyan-Arce winner will be called undisputed and lineal champ (since on Feb 7 there will be no other champ left, and Darchinyan is the lineal champ in your book anyway)... but not The Ring champ. Pretty weird.
     
  15. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    I agree with thread starters sentiments but for The Ring to retain credibility they must follow thier rules without deviation. It's the same reason Wladimir doesn't have the championship. I like Vic a lot though, he's the kind of champ boxing needs. I'm sure if he stays at 115 he'll get The Ring belt eventually. Who knows, he may even end up fighting Vazquez for his Ring championship.