10 Questions For Those Who Think Jones Will Beat Calzaghe

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Calzaghe = fading?

Hopkins makes everyone look shite - don't forget Joe looked awesome against Kessler!

 

- that Morales could come back and beat Pacquiao in a 4th fight?

No hes just to shot now.

- that Barrera could beat Marquez in a rematch?

Yes I do I scored the orginal for MAB and it was only a year and a half ago.

- that De La Hoya could beat Margarito just now?

Yes styles make fights and I can see DLH outboxing Margarito.

- that Holyfield could beat David Haye?

Im not sold on Hayes chin and Holyfield can crack alittle bit so yeah Holyfield could but probablly wouldnt.

- that James Toney will win the world heavyweight title soon?

No I had him losing to Rahman until the cut opened and Rahman couldnt see the whole 3 punches Toney landed that hes living off of now.

- that Ricardo Mayorga will beat Mosley and then go after a world title?

Nope Mosley will win easily.

- that Tito Trinidad could boil down to 160 or 154 and be a force again?

Yes I do 160 isnt exactly a deep divison and I dont see anyone I wouldnt atleast give him a punchers chance vs.

- that Fernando Vargas could come back and beat Pavlik or Abraham?

No Vargas is done he cant even make 160 anymore and he has a terrible back injury he did good by retiring when he still had his brain cells.

- that Tyson could KO one of the Klitschkos if they beat Povetkin/Peter?

No not even glass jawed Wladimir. Tyson has no power or speed now that was showed vs McBride who was actually faster then Tyson this being 3 years ago.

- that Jeff Fenech is on the way back to glory after his win over Azumah Nelson??

:-(

 

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Posters keep bringing up the BHop KD like it was a serious danger to Calzaghe.

It had more to do with balance, and it was finished off with a push.

Calzaghe was up in under three seconds and was the aggressor for the remainder of the round.



That said, Roy has (or had) a LOT more power in either hand than Bernard.

He definitely has, as you point out, a puncher's chance.





Question.

IMO, he carried Tito for most of their fight.

Was he playing possum, to reel in Joe ?

 

Big difference comPAred to your questions.. Calzy boy is not a big puncher LIKE pAC nor a master boxer like JMM and also a bit slow lately.

 

What pointless questions pertaining to Jones vs. Calzaghe...:roll:

 

Definitely some Calzaghe bias in evidence here Cuch.

Whether Calzaghe was seriously hurt or not, it was a perfectly legitimate knockdown. A very cleverly thrown, clean inside right that connected and dropped Calzaghe to the canvas. It was on account of the punch, not the contact due to proximity, as you suggest. He rose after a couple of seconds, shook off the effects of the punch, and was permitted to compete for the remainder of the round as Hopkins went against Freddie Roach's pleas and chose to conserve energy rather than capitalize on his early advantage. Calzaghe was not particularly aggressive or effective thereafter, he was only perceived to be the 'aggressor' because he stood nearer the centre of the ring than Hopkins on account of Hopkins's strategy.

And I think this:

IMO, he carried Tito for most of their fight.

Was he playing possum, to reel in Joe ?

is a pretty ridiculous comment. Jones is shot, shot to pieces. That's why he couldn't stop Trinidad, or Hanshaw (who was KO'd in 5 in his next fight after Jones by a fellow non top 10 ranked lhw), or Prince Nobody before that.

Why on Earth would he think he needed to 'play possum'? Calzaghe has a brain, he knows Jones is shot, he knows he was badly beaten the last 3 times he mixed in world class company and has had 3 years to further age and deteriorate since - why would someone whose career and abilities have plummeted to the extent that Jones's has think he needed to 'play possum' to make the no.2 p4p fighter in the world think he could beat him for ****ing sacks of cash?!?! Why would Jones think turning in the pretty abysmal showing he did v Trinidad would be a better option than blasting him out, if he was capable of it? Surely stopping someone for the 1st time since SEPTEMBER 2002 would have been a far far FAR better way of legitimizing this joke for both him and Calzaghe, and giving his fans a glimmer of hope thereby building more excitement for the fight?

The mind boggles.

 

He beat Kessler convincingly just over 9 months a go, and outworked Hopkins 4 months ago. He can't be that faded unless you are questioning the actual quality of Kessler, and the age of Hopkins. If a very faded boxer can beat those two it doesn't say much about their quality does it.

 

Do you think...

- that Morales could come back and beat Pacquiao in a 4th fight? No
- that Barrera could beat Marquez in a rematch? No
- that De La Hoya could beat Margarito just now? Yes
- that Holyfield could beat David Haye? No
- that James Toney will win the world heavyweight title soon? No
- that Ricardo Mayorga will beat Mosley and then go after a world title? Yes
- that Tito Trinidad could boil down to 160 or 154 and be a force again? No
- that Fernando Vargas could come back and beat Pavlik or Abraham? No
- that Tyson could KO one of the Klitschkos if they beat Povetkin/Peter? No
- that Jeff Fenech is on the way back to glory after his win over Azumah Nelson?? IDK

 

- that Morales could come back and beat Pacquiao in a 4th fight?

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- that Barrera could beat Marquez in a rematch?

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- that De La Hoya could beat Margarito just now? -

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- that Holyfield could beat David Haye?

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- that James Toney will win the world heavyweight title soon?

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- that Ricardo Mayorga will beat Mosley and then go after a world title?

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- that Tito Trinidad could boil down to 160 or 154 and be a force again?

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- that Fernando Vargas could come back and beat Pavlik or Abraham?

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- that Tyson could KO one of the Klitschkos if they beat Povetkin/Peter?

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- that Jeff Fenech is on the way back to glory after his win over Azumah Nelson??

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So being the hardcore boxing purist that you profess to be... Do you or do you not know what going in cold can do to a fighter and are you not aware that every now and then a boxer will get caught when he shouldn't. Calzaghe got caught cold, got up instantly, learned from it and bossed the fight from there on in. Calzaghe can bang when needed and i'm sure if roy can get near him then he will. There are many different styles that win fights and if this "slapping" is one that works for Joe then who are you lot to argue?? If you don't like it... don't watch him. As many a pundit has said in the past though he slaps hard... Ask Lacy or Kessler.

 

And this is the point of the thread, I believe. Boxing fans are mostly delusional and utterly devoid of knowledge. This is why farces like Trinidad v Jones and Jones v Calzaghe are allowed to happen.

 

I scored the first round 10-8 for Bernard. I always score KDs that way.

I believe it's uncertain as to whether or not Calzaghe would have hit the mat without the follow-through body contact.

However, it was a legit KD and as such, a 10-8 score was in order

We disagree on what happened at that point.

To say he was 'permitted to continue', while technically correct, gives a wrong impression. The implication there is that there was some thought given to NOT permitting him to continue.

There was none.

And Calzaghe was the aggressor for the balance of the round.

If Bernard had felt there was a chance he had actually hurt Calzaghe, rather than merely embarrass him, he would have pressed his advantage.

In such circumstances, you don't worry about conserving energy. It was round 1 after all.

No.

He was the aggressor in that he advanced and Bernard retreated.

Maybe it's just the surrealism of seeing such a performance from the best boxer of my generation

It's very possible he's completely shot.

However, I had the impression that he went easy on Tito from the first KD on. It seemed to me that he could have finished him off at any time and perhaps chose not to.

That choice, I guessed at the time, was maybe as a result of them being frinds away from the ring. Later I wondered about the 'possum' angle.


Or it very well may be that he just can't pull the trigger anymore.

Maybe he really is that shot.

If that really was his best effort against Tito, I don't believe he would beat Delahoya, much less Calzaghe.