1967 Muhammad Ali vs. 2007 Wladimir Klitschko

One decent win doesnt make you great, you have already heard me say this is the fight I give Wlad the most credit for winning, and that he showed what little toughness he had to somehow pull it out in the end.

I dont know if Wlad could beat Peter, but if he does, then I guess he's the better man. I will have no excuses, unless Wlad wins on a cut or Peter gets fouled out for some odd reason. I might be a hater, but I know Wlad has a ton of talent physically, but mentally he's a mess. I do believe it's only a matter of time before Wlad implodes again, I just hope it happens against Samuel.

 

ali beats lewis. im sorry

 

The "2007 to present version of Klitschko" doesn't leave himself open to counters or punch himself out. The current version of Wlad wouldn't flail away like Forman did while Ali laid against the ropes.

Yes, there is always the possibility of Ali landing a big punch that turns the fight around but I wouldn't bank on it.

Klitschko has too much power & more importantly he has the ability to deliver that power with speed & precision.

 

Once decent win? Who only has one decent win? I know you aren't talking about Wlad. You keep talkinga about he is a mess mentally, yet you fail to realize that you are talking about the past... and only a couple of fights from the past. It was Lennox Lewis himself who said that Wlad only looked so bad when he got hit before, because he was so good that he simply wasn't used to getting hit. When it happened, he was shocked. Ever since Wlad has dumped the rest of his team, and went with JUST Manny Steward, which was after the first fight against Brewster... Wlad has got better and better. Everytime out he handles pressure better, shows better patience... shows better technique, ect... The fight against Iggy was boring... it's boxing and that happens, big deal. People acting like that fight explains Wlad's career or fighting style must have not seen ANY of his other fights. He does fight more reserved, and technical now... that is what a better trainer, and maturing as a fighter will do. However, considering that he has only had 2 fights go the distance in the last 7 years... those being against Peter and Iggy... I don't see the problem with excitement. Before the fight with Ibragimov Wlad was known as one of the most, if not the most exciting fighter in the division. One boring fight and people act like he is a mentally weak, gunshy joke. It really makes people look completely foolish when they talk like that.

 

It could go that way & Ali could win a decision & even TKO Wlad late, but chances are, the size difference would be overwhelming for Ali.

That's my opinion I'm sticking to it. :bart

Wlad would have a tougher time against early Tyson, Frazier or even early Forman. Pressure type fighters with good chins are Wlad's kryptonite. That's not Ali & styles make fights.

 

ali beats KKKlitschko.

 

First round? Since when was Ali a fast starter? Maybe you're confusing him with someone else :huh :deal

 

Since when did Klitschko hug & clinch too much vs. Byrd, in either fight for that matter?

 

Off subject, but I just came across this knockout again... just brutal as hell...
[YT]MBNoHwahMMM[/YT]

 

Thats a fair post Widdow, Wlads had two pretty good wins in his career IMO, the 00/01 version of Bryd and the green version of Sam Peter. I have always felt Wlad had a chin/toughness deficiency, ever since the first Brewster fight I said that, the Iggy fight fight just openend more peoples eyes to what I been saying all along. I do believe Manny has done wonders with Wlad, and without him, I dont think he would of survived the fight against Peter, now while I think he still improved, he has also felt the canvas his fair share with Manny by his side, against Brewster, Williamson, and Peter, a total of 5 times.

I think Wlad is an exciting fighter, though just like any fighter, he has his off nights. The Iggy fight was a bad fight that both Wlad and Iggy should get equal blame for, Wlad let Iggy off the hook mid way through the fight when he had him hurt, and was reluctant to the throw the right hand because of fear of being countered, while Iggy did practically nothing, but throw wild hooks looking to time Wlad, which he failed to do. To Wlads credit, I see him knocking out Thompson early to send a message to guys like Haye and others, I feel he needs to at this point, to win back some fans.

 

What about Jameel McCline at the top of his game? Calvin Brock? The undefeated WBO Champion Sultan Ibragimov? Chris Byrd II, in which Byrd was ranked #1 by Ring Mag? Lamon Brewster, the revenge fight, in which Lamon was fully cleared to fight and said himself that his eye never bothered him before, during or after the fight. No excuses... Wlad just picked up where he left off in the first fight without imploding this time around. Wlad showed his improvement, while Brewster stayed the same. What about Monte Barrett? Axel Schulz? Botha? The undefeated Castillo who was coming off a very impressive win over Michael Moorer? ect....

Only two decent wins? I think that you are way off base.

 

out before he was on the canvas

brutal

 

You are naming hype jobs and never was', Iggy sucks, he beat a athmatic Briggs, and 46 yearold Holyfield, and had a draw against Austin where he was floored in, Iggy proved how weak he is in his match against Wlad. Brewster was not a 100%, anyone with two good eyes(no pun intended), could see that. Mccline's biggest win is over Briggs, hardly a world beater, and always falls apart on the big stage one way or another, Brock is an average Heavyweight, who just got beat by a fat out of shape Chambers, Barrett, I thought that was Vitali that beat him? Either way, that guy was never was, he got beat by anyone he fought that was halfway decent like against Mesi and Valuev, Shultz was beaten down by that point, who is most known for his close losses to a 50 yearold George Foreman, Botha, beat noone good in his career, lost to likes of Moorer and Tyson, he couldnt even beat Eitenne, where's Castillo now? He accomplished very little in his career.

These wins are no better than the guy's Tyson steamrolled over back in the mid 80's, the only difference is Tyson fought an ATG, and knocked him out, in Holmes.

 

You use twisted logic. Tell me what wins you consider decent wins for Sam Peter.

 

How is that? I gave you the run down on the fighters you named, what more do you want? Peter is 27, his resume isnt as good as Wlads because he's only been fighting since 01 I believe, where Wlad has been fighting since 96. Peter has two wins over ATG Toney, Mccline, and Maskaev. There's no reason to throw in other names that dont really matter, like Williams or Diaz. I just dont think Wlads resume is good at all, it's not completely his fault, but compared to most if not all ATG fighters, it's quite skimpy and includes no future Hall of Famers in it, and certainly no ATG wins.