1988 Tyson vs 2010 Wlad Klitschko

Stop talking to yourself you stupid alt.

funny how one of you goes offline as soon as the other one comes online?

we can see your game, tosser atsch

 

Everybody who disagrees with your nauseating fanboyism is an alter ego according to you!! :rofl

 

I SEE THAT THE OLD CLASSIC FORUM IS BACK

 

Hang on now.

I'm not American, neither is Azzer and I don't think Dino is either. I do think that there may be some inherent bias amongst SOME American boxing fans against Wlad, but you can't paint everyone with the same brush.
Wlad has many American fans and many non-American critics. (I won't say hater since it's such a childish term.) I also find the race card often played by some Klitschko fans to be way off the mark, and pretty insulting.

There is nothing Wlad could ever do to pass Louis or Ali in legacy, and to be honest, not Tyson either. Legacies are built on fights and moments in fights or even outside the ring that live long in the memory because they were exceptional to watch or experience.

Sorry mate, but Wlad has not left us with a lot to talk about. He has no Rumble in the Jungle, no natural rival, no real talking points in any of his fights, he is not particularly charismatic and does nothing particularly memorable at all, either inside the squared circle or outside it.

He does deserve all the credit in the world for being a long-standing and dominant champ, and he has always conducted himself with dignity and class.
Fair do's.

But he ain't a champ that has taken the masses to his bosom, or rather, the masses haven't taken him to theirs. He is not a sports megastar of renown in the same way as Tyson, Louis and Ali were.
EVERYBODY, even non-fans of the sport, knew who these guys were. One simply cannot say the same for Wlad.

 

foremansjab another Eastern European Slavic bum.

Funny how he slates American "hypejobs" and then uses an American name.

I smell a liar, fraud, hypocrite

 

Come on then what is Tyson's rumble in the jungle??

Every mega fight he had he lost, barring Spinks which was a mismatch!!

So what if Wlad hasn't taken to the masses, the people who actually know about boxing know how skilled and complete he his as a fighter, the man would be a massive force in any era wether you want to believe it or not.

 

That's the funniest thing I've read in ages!

 

He must be mesmerized by Wlad's early accumulation of WBO defenses.... Hence his claim that he will soon surpass the legacy of Joe Louis.

 

Tyson didn't have a Rumble in the Jungle. But what he brought to the table was an excitement and electric atmosphere to fights that hadn't been seen since Ali or even going so far back as Dempsey.
He transcended the sport like Ali and maybe to a lesser extent Louis before him.
I'm not going to bang on about his ability because it's plain to see.

Boxing fans can see Wlad's ability for sure, but that doesn't make him any less dull to watch, does not take away from his flaws and it does nothing to the casual fan who may tune in once in a while (or at least would have in days gone by) to watch a good fight. He is not going to convert a non-fan into a fan of boxing.
In short, unless you're a boxing fan, chances are he is obscure to Joe public and therefore irrelevant.

Does that matter in the greater scheme of things? I think so. For instance, I knew next to nothing about basketball until I started watching Michael Jordan clips on youtube. Thanks to him, I have a greater interest and respect for the game in general.
Ali and Tyson, for one, brought in massive interest from the casuals to the sport of boxing. They were a draw.

To be honest, I don't think true greatness languishes in obscurity. But anyway...

 

I think a lot of us were mesmerised by his early defences, but obviously not in the same way!

 

Sorry, but no. Louis was the undisputed champion for the duration of his reign. Wlad has never been undisputed champion, and also not the best heavyweight for the entire duration of his reign either. (If you include the WBO strap, which he won when Lewis was still the real champion.)

In all honesty, and this is not to disparage him but is at least a possibility, it can be argued that he was never the best in the division, courtesy of a certain other Klitschko hanging about at the same time, or at least for a good portion of that time.

But we're going off-topic here...