1991 George Foreman vs present day Daniel Dubois

Sorry, I thought the thread title was "1991 George Foreman vs present day Daniel Dubois"




Oh... ...wait!

 

Foreman faced very few world class opponents in his comeback and those he did fight were smaller guys who had moved up in weight. He didn't seem at all keen on bigger quality heavyweight like Bowe Lewis Ruddock etc. Had he kayoed someone like Bowe id be more comfortable favoring him here.

If you genuinely think Foreman beats Dubois why not favor him over someone like Bowe. Bowes certainly there to be hit.

 

Bowe is leagues above Dubois. Are you serious ? Dubois is a bigger less fundamentally sound version of Frank Bruno. That is literally what Dubois is, a Bruno analog except his iq is even worse, much worse. He throws too many haymakers

 

Almost all of what you are replying to me with on this topic has nothing to do with the demonstrable capabilities and flaws of the fighters themselves.

Whether Foreman seemed keen on matching certain fighters or not is irrelevant.

Daniel Dubois has a historical tendency to fold under sustained, intelligent, or otherwise effective pressure. Foreman does not. Quite oppositely, Foreman was more often than not the one applying the pressure, and in '91, he was still very good at doing so. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to suggest that Dubois succumbs to the Foreman offense (and fairly quickly).

However, if you genuinely think Dubois and Bowe are comparable, there really is little else to discuss.

 

Surely you can see that both have two arms, two legs, and a heartbeat MM?

 

Of that i have no doubt

 

Unbelievable how people can't read and respond to the subject title. This is a hypothetical matchup with the "1991" version of Foreman. Irrelevant to what followed later against Stewart, Morrison, Schulz, et al.

 

A prime Bowe got dominated by Andrew Golota and arguably lost to a faded Tony Tubbs. He also ducked every puncher of his era. I think you are viewing his career with rose colored glasses. His career is far more notable for all the guts he didn't fight than those he did

 

Are you bringing Butterbean into it? He's no big omission.

 

80% of those shots landed on Foreman’s massive arms or when Foreman had his chin tucked in, few times Holyfield landed clean to the face Foreman was very much rocked. Dubois walked through much harder shots against Hrgovic and Miller.

Yes he will, he’d be about 20 times more accurate and controlled than Holyfield was in that match.

 

Sure.

Miller is a blubbery arm puncher and Hrgovic can’t put combinations together like Holyfield could. Withstanding them is nothing special. Holyfield would have ktfo or made Dubois quit no problems. Dubois wouldn’t have withstood the barrage that George took nor had the fighting instincts to fight through the adversity. He’s a chinny quitter. There’s no shame in it, it’s just how he’s wired.

Holyfield was a damn accurate, precise, fluid combination puncher. Usyk is brilliant but he’s not more accurate or controlled than Evander. He's cooler and doesn’t get suckered into fighting the other guys fight as Holyfield could be wont to do but a more controlled or accurate puncher? No way.

 

Both Miller and Hrgovic hit harder than Holyfield and most of the punches they landed on Dubois were harder than the one that Foreman in La La Land. And I love all the keyboard warriors here calling a 28 year old former champ Dubois a quitter after he beat Lerena after 3 KDs and beat Miller and Hrgovic in brawls. But sure, he is a quitter because he got his eye socket broken when he was a 23 year old kid and dared to get his ass kicked by Usyk. What does that make Foreman against Ali and Young?

Perhaps you should actually go and watch the match, Holyfield was spamming wide hooks on Foreman with his chin up in the air because he was trying too hard to KO him. Few times he took his time and worked on counters Foreman’s legendary chin turned out to be not so legendary. Usyk would have done that the whole match.

 

You are confusing bodybuilding with strength. Someone can have the appearance of well defined muscle but be weaker than someone with a pot belly and I'll defined muscles.
Gym built strength is greatly different to manual labour and natural strength and genetics.
Foreman in his dual guises excelled in both and was brutally strong. In his comeback he would drag a vehicle with a rope tied around his back.