19th century boxing: the (very) basics

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    For those who don't want to scour through 19th century boxing manuals, here are two modern martial artists demonstrating the way that Sullivan, Mace & Co. threw the jab and right hand:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgDWruigs-g[/ame]
     
  2. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    Thanks for the vid mate. Quite interesting.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    I think Sullivan probably hit a bit better than those two. :D

    :good
     
  4. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A Bit harder??

    I heard one time, Sullivan can kill bulls with his bare hands. That he parted the mississippi river in 2, and walk on water.

    I also heard he decaption some fighter, and his head landed in the 3rd row lol.


    The Kilts have nothing on John L.
     
  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    This kind of reminds me of Karate.....interesting, but imo pretty useless against combination punchers in modern boxing.
     
  6. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So thats how Fitz and Jeffries KO Tyson
     
  7. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes it does look similar to Karate. It was a different sport then. I don“t think it is comparable.
     
  8. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I doubt it, fitzy uses the famous solar plexus combination:deal
     
  9. mike4819

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    Interesting! thanks for posting.
     
  10. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This, while well replicated, is just a small portion of a Bare-Knucklers general attitude (Stance/Guard) and style.

    It demonstrates a basic drill of straight punches and 'stopping' but includes no barring (arm wrapped around the side and belly), switching stances, round blows, throwing the head back, or describes any of the unique blows one from that era would use such as a 'chopper' (back handed slice).

    The main problem in showing London Prize Rule combat seems to be the 'stiffness' of it. Feinting was completely essential back then and thus such demonstrations do not inform an observer of how one would conduct their self in a real fight.

    Such drills were used just to make defences against each punch on each side habitual.

    Going off Mendoza's style of fighting we have an ambidextrous, cross-armed whippet whom was rarely still and punched in two's and three's. That the Bare-Knuckle era is somewhat buried underneath a misconception of primitive teachings is a huge understatement.

    Factoring in the wrestling techniques, many of these men would have proven hell for many of the best MMA fighters today.
     
  11. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And as a foot-note, gloves were always recommended. This practise would not have been done for a scholar bare-fisted.
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    By what ruleset? If you allow ground fighting, no.
     
  13. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fights begin standing up, lest we forget, and then a MMArtist would have a job of trying to ground the Bare Knuckle fighter.

    That ground game is an advantage is a given, but to suggest a fighter used to such rough tactics would be out of sorts is surely an unfair view.

    Many MMA fights are won when standing and consequently the Bare-Knuckler's had many ways in which they could, themsleves, throw a man to the floor.

    Could be interesting.
     
  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Its effectiveness probably depends on the glove size, but I agree: it's oriented toward single shots.

    As Ted_Spoon points out, though, combination punching goes back to Mendoza. The boxing style that I posted appears to have "won" the style-vs-style wars by the mid 19th century.
     
  15. cross_trainer

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