253lb David Tua vs 216lb Mike Tyson.

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Who wins?

  1. Tyson wins

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  2. Tua wins

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    15.7%
  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I would say Razor Ruddock scores pretty high for that description. Bonecrusher Smith too. Clifford Ettiene. Frans Botha. Frank Bruno. Brian Nielsen.

    I don’t think Tua was above that level.
     
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  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    None fought anything like Tua.
     
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Not exactly. But nobody ever is exactly alike are they? I think Ettienne was close though. Close enough.





    Besides you only said a big come forward slugger with massive punching power. Bonecrusher, Bruno, Ruddock definitely qualify.
     
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  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Clifford didn't either. Not even close to the punching power, chin and workrate. Tua also went to the body hard and often, Tyson didn't like it in the bread basket.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    A combination of all the fighters mentioned at least represent the sum total of Tua.

    Clearly Tua was a huge puncher ... until it counted.

    How come he couldn’t knockout Lennox Lewis when McCall and Rahman did?

    And what do you base his chin on? Who was the best puncher to check Tuas whiskers?
     
  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You do know the dimensions of Lewis compared to Tyson or don't height and reach count now?
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It didn’t mean as much to Tyson when he was beating Carl Williams, Lou Saverese, Mitch Green, Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs who all had the same height at reach that Tua could not overcome.

    If we are making comparisons here between two guys with similar height and reach to each other it seems to me the one who can solve a certain problems easier has the edge over a rival closer to his own size.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales booted Full Member

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    Etienne as Tua is a reach but I agree that the Ruddock, Bruno, and Smith fights answer more questions about prime Tyson than his critics are willing to admit.
     
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  9. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tua and Mike meet in the center of the ring and commence hooking. Mike lands first but Tua barely reacts. Tua puts Tyson down with a brilliant 47 punch body/head combination. Tyson is flat on the canvas and as the count reaches 8 he crawls out of the ring crying. That night at his consolation party, as Bobby Czyz is waxing his helmet, Tupac Shaker fans burst in and shoot Mike dead. Czyz screams, finishes up and is later state witness for the prosecution.
     
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  10. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The same procedure as every month, chok.

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  11. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Folks, I´m confused.

    Tonight AJ gave away 46lb! Give the man some credit.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yeah, what does it mean though?

    Does it mean the heaviest man won’t always win?
     
  13. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Literally no one is saying that. Nice straw man.
     
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  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When Ruiz won: "if he wasn't so fat he'd be the same weight as Rocky, i e Rocky could beat Joshua."

    When Ruiz loses: "He outweighed AJ by 45 lbs and lost - just goes to show that size means nothing. I e Rocky could beat anyone."
     
  15. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cognitive dissonance.

    It happens all the time with rocky supporters. They cant seem to make up their mind if weight matters or not. When its inconvenient, weight is no big deal and what matters is skill, heart, stamina, etc. When its convenient they use bizarre talking points like rocky cutting weight to get down to 185 and that he'd easily be 210+ with modern training methods. I thought weight was no big deal?

    Even if he were in shape, Ruiz wouldn't be anywhere near 185. One only has to look at his thick ankles (im guessing size 13 shoes bare minimum), broad back, big head and thick neck to see that he's a naturally robust man with an endomorphic build. Anything below 205 and his ribs would probably be sticking out. He's also 6'2 with a 74' reach so I'm failing to see why a comparison to the 5'10 68' reach rocky was ever made in the first place.

    Style wise they are completely different. Ruiz slowly stalks his opponent with a high guard. He utilizes fast hands, flurries, good counters, and times his opponent with patience. Rocky is an aggressive body puncher and a slugger whose more than happy to be lax with defense if it means landing one of his own. He will batter his opponent even when they're blocking to apply non stop pressure. Ruiz is much more patient and doesn't open up recklessly. The only similarities are that they have solid chins and were born on the same month!
     
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