5 Biggest Lies in Boxing

SplitDecision · Oct 23, 2010

D-MAC said: ↑

Were you drunk when you wrote this?

It's the shittest top-5 (or 7) I have ever seen, and that's in any topic.

Mayweather, not that skillful? I've ****ing heard it all now.

This isn't the five biggest lies in boxing, this is just five (or 7) random thoughts you've plucked out of your noggin on the spur of the moment, and then vomited onto an opening post. If you're gonna indulge in this kinda tripe, and act all "I'm the man in the know", at least put some bloody effort into it and come up with a decent 5 (or 7).
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Was I drunk when I wrote this? Yes.

Just writing about the stuff that I read on the forums. That is all. Hearns would beat Mayweather just using the jab.

Were you drunk when you spelled were?

SplitDecision · Oct 23, 2010

Axl_Nose said: ↑

Theres a few interesting points (rants) that you've made, but i actually think you're wrong on most of them ..

Firstly 'Punch Resistance Declines after a Short Period of Time' - I dont know if you actually meant with 'Age' .. Age causes every fighter to take more punches than they did in their prime, and as age creeps up on fighters the 'Will' to take punishment diminishes especially with fighters who have been in wars or who have previously been beaten. 99% of ageing fighters dont train the way they used too and a completely natural erosion of the body (suppleness, reflexes etc) has taken place ..

'The SKY Team Are Useless Campaign on ESB' - I actually agree with you on this one. Many posters on this forum criticise fighters and commentators, like they could do so much better .. Effective commentary is a real skill which is why Reg Gutteridge and Harry Carpenter are so revered. Jim Watt was a brilliant commentator teamed with Reg, because Reg was the main man, the anchor commentator, and Jim Watt made his sporadic points. Watt suffers today because he doesnt have Reg and he has to work with a complete idiot like Adam Smith. The best commentary Sky had was Darke and McCrory, they complemented each other quite well .. Commentating on Boxing is a real art, you only have a split second to articulate your point and you have to have a good commentary voice ..

'Margarito has any right to be involved in Boxing' - Im of the opinion that anybody who cheats or brings boxing into disrepute should be banned for life, but we are talking about a sport were money rules and Margarito can still generate money .. I would have expelled all the drug cheats too. The excusing of Mike Tyson after he bit Holyfield's ear off sent a very dangerous precedent, if you dont get banned for life for doing what Tyson did then you're not going to be banned for life for anything .. The Tyson ear bite damaged Boxing severely ..

'Current Boxers Stand Comparison With Fighters from Previous Era's' - I've never actually heard anybody make this point, i think everybody knows that this the weakest era in Boxing history by an absolute mile ..

'Boxing is Dying' - Only the youngest and most inexperienced fight fans will deny that Boxing is dying .. Yeah, you hear guys on here shouting from the rooftops about what great shape the sport is in with young talent coming through, but its all bull**** and they know it .. Take out Mayweather and maybe Pac and no other Champion would be a Champion in a previous era, now that is a sad indictment of this sport today .. Too many fighters, are to a huge extent media creations. David Haye has acheived nothing at heavyweight and fought nobody, yet he he's the WBA Champion and he talks like hes Muhammed Ali, that couldnt have happened in a previous era .. Amir Khan has fought nobody, has already been wiped out in a round, and yet he is a Champion of a major body and he talks like he's Sugar Ray Leonard .. This has been the worst decade in Boxing history and it'll be a miracle if it ever reaches the levels it did in the 90's, let alone the truly golden era's of Boxing ..

Boxing is also dying because fighters are more and more promoting themselves, this is great for the fighter because he wont get ripped off by Don King or Warren, but it is really bad for Boxing, because if you give fighters too much control of were their career heads then more often than not, they will take the path of least resistance and wont fight anybody who they think is dangerous .. As a Boxing fan, it was far better when Don King and his like were in control, simply because he would put on the fights that people wanted to see ..

Your last point is moronic - 'Mayweather has No Skill ' - Floyd Mayweather is the most skilled fighter since Sugar Ray Leonard, not as 'naturally talented' as Roy Jones Jr, but easily on a par or better skill-wise than Pernell Whitaker .. You cant just pigeon hole the word 'Skill' when you're dealing with a sport of many different styles. Floyd Mayweather is an ultra skilled, defensive, counter puncher who doesnt want to take punches, thats his style and its very effective, the fact that you dont like this particular style is neither here nor there. I didnt care for the styles of Joe Calzaghe or Rocky Marciano but i can recognise the skill they demonstrated within that style ..

You came up with some talking points which bordered on wild rants
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I enjoyed your post. One inaccuracy is that you stated that you disagreed with most of what I said, when infact you agreed with every point bar one. I feel that you didn't like the way in which I put things across.

LHL · Oct 23, 2010

Great gifs Achilles, made this thread worth clicking on

SplitDecision · Oct 23, 2010

Losfer_Words said: ↑

100% correct. Even if I don't agree with the criticism Watt gets, I'm not narcissistic enough to start a thread telling those who have conflicting views that they 'know' **** all.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion even if you don't personally agree with it, OP. This is a forum not a place where everyone should be expected to bend over in agreement on every issue.
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Well i'm hardly going to come over to someone's house with a basball bat in order to make them agree with me. If I could believe me I would.BTW i never said that other people 'know' **** all or expect people to bend over in agreement. You are trying to insinuate an intention that was not present in my post. You come across as a grade A ......

BlackBrenny · Oct 23, 2010

Axl_Nose said: ↑

Theres a few interesting points (rants) that you've made, but i actually think you're wrong on most of them ..

Firstly 'Punch Resistance Declines after a Short Period of Time' - I dont know if you actually meant with 'Age' .. Age causes every fighter to take more punches than they did in their prime, and as age creeps up on fighters the 'Will' to take punishment diminishes especially with fighters who have been in wars or who have previously been beaten. 99% of ageing fighters dont train the way they used too and a completely natural erosion of the body (suppleness, reflexes etc) has taken place ..

'The SKY Team Are Useless Campaign on ESB' - I actually agree with you on this one. Many posters on this forum criticise fighters and commentators, like they could do so much better .. Effective commentary is a real skill which is why Reg Gutteridge and Harry Carpenter are so revered. Jim Watt was a brilliant commentator teamed with Reg, because Reg was the main man, the anchor commentator, and Jim Watt made his sporadic points. Watt suffers today because he doesnt have Reg and he has to work with a complete idiot like Adam Smith. The best commentary Sky had was Darke and McCrory, they complemented each other quite well .. Commentating on Boxing is a real art, you only have a split second to articulate your point and you have to have a good commentary voice ..

'Margarito has any right to be involved in Boxing' - Im of the opinion that anybody who cheats or brings boxing into disrepute should be banned for life, but we are talking about a sport were money rules and Margarito can still generate money .. I would have expelled all the drug cheats too. The excusing of Mike Tyson after he bit Holyfield's ear off sent a very dangerous precedent, if you dont get banned for life for doing what Tyson did then you're not going to be banned for life for anything .. The Tyson ear bite damaged Boxing severely ..

'Current Boxers Stand Comparison With Fighters from Previous Era's' - I've never actually heard anybody make this point, i think everybody knows that this the weakest era in Boxing history by an absolute mile ..

'Boxing is Dying' - Only the youngest and most inexperienced fight fans will deny that Boxing is dying .. Yeah, you hear guys on here shouting from the rooftops about what great shape the sport is in with young talent coming through, but its all bull**** and they know it .. Take out Mayweather and maybe Pac and no other Champion would be a Champion in a previous era, now that is a sad indictment of this sport today .. Too many fighters, are to a huge extent media creations. David Haye has acheived nothing at heavyweight and fought nobody, yet he he's the WBA Champion and he talks like hes Muhammed Ali, that couldnt have happened in a previous era .. Amir Khan has fought nobody, has already been wiped out in a round, and yet he is a Champion of a major body and he talks like he's Sugar Ray Leonard .. This has been the worst decade in Boxing history and it'll be a miracle if it ever reaches the levels it did in the 90's, let alone the truly golden era's of Boxing ..

Boxing is also dying because fighters are more and more promoting themselves, this is great for the fighter because he wont get ripped off by Don King or Warren, but it is really bad for Boxing, because if you give fighters too much control of were their career heads then more often than not, they will take the path of least resistance and wont fight anybody who they think is dangerous .. As a Boxing fan, it was far better when Don King and his like were in control, simply because he would put on the fights that people wanted to see ..

Your last point is moronic - 'Mayweather has No Skill ' - Floyd Mayweather is the most skilled fighter since Sugar Ray Leonard, not as 'naturally talented' as Roy Jones Jr, but easily on a par or better skill-wise than Pernell Whitaker .. You cant just pigeon hole the word 'Skill' when you're dealing with a sport of many different styles. Floyd Mayweather is an ultra skilled, defensive, counter puncher who doesnt want to take punches, thats his style and its very effective, the fact that you dont like this particular style is neither here nor there. I didnt care for the styles of Joe Calzaghe or Rocky Marciano but i can recognise the skill they demonstrated within that style ..

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boxing isn't dying, hasn't it been "dead" for ten years now? still plenty of people in my gym, still plenty of prospects in my area... still plenty of fights to enjoy. its a mess, but dying? please, whne people stop going to boxing gyms, then it is dead.

"Only the youngest and most inexperienced fight fans will deny that Boxing is dying"

By this you mean new fans, but if it was dying, it wouldn't be getting new fans would it? go to sherdog or any other mma site, click on a "boxing is dead" thread and notice that there are more knowledgable MMA fans defending boxing than attacking

"As a Boxing fan, it was far better when Don King and his like were in control, simply because he would put on the fights that people wanted to see " and ruined peoples lives in the process

almsn · Oct 23, 2010

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SplitDecision · Oct 23, 2010

achillesthegreat said: ↑

You don't know what you are talking about. Enjoy...

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Thanks for proving my point,

Gif 1 - Beats Hatton to the punch
Gif 2 - Leans straight back, relies on reflex not skill
Gif 3 - Doesn't counter
Gif 4 - Takes one to land one
Gif 5 - Tees off on a hurt opponent
Gif 6 - Simply more accurate with his punching than DLH
Gif 7 - What the **** is Baldomir doing?
Gif 8 - Beats DLH to the punch

You don't know what you are talking about sadly.

hagman1989 · Oct 23, 2010

SplitDecision said: ↑

Thanks for proving my point,

Gif 1 - Beats Hatton to the punch
Gif 2 - Leans straight back, relies on reflex not skill
Gif 3 - Doesn't counter
Gif 4 - Takes one to land one
Gif 5 - Tees off on a hurt opponent
Gif 6 - Simply more accurate with his punching than DLH
Gif 7 - What the **** is Baldomir doing?
Gif 8 - Beats DLH to the punch

You don't know what you are talking about sadly.
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you understand that all apart from 7 even by your judgement have a **** tonne of skill involved right?

WalletInspector · Oct 23, 2010

SplitDecision said: ↑

Gif 6 - Simply more accurate with his punching than DLH
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:huh

SplitDecision · Oct 23, 2010

WalletInspector said: ↑

:huh
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DLH is winging away with ineffective arm punches and Mayweather just has to tee off. To clarify i'm not saying Mayweather is devoid of skill, just that the skills he has to employ to beat fighters today are not of a particularly high level. If you watch older fights you see constant feinting and adjustment whereas today fighters are so static.

achillesthegreat · Oct 23, 2010

SplitDecision said: ↑

Thanks for proving my point,

Gif 1 - Beats Hatton to the punch
Gif 2 - Leans straight back, relies on reflex not skill
Gif 3 - Doesn't counter
Gif 4 - Takes one to land one
Gif 5 - Tees off on a hurt opponent
Gif 6 - Simply more accurate with his punching than DLH
Gif 7 - What the **** is Baldomir doing?
Gif 8 - Beats DLH to the punch

You don't know what you are talking about sadly.
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Sorry mate but you don't know what you are talking about.

1 - Lands a hook while pivoting away from Hattons left hand. It's the perfect blend of offence and defence.
2 - Pulls, counter right hand, slips the right hand = defence, offence, defence
3 - He doesn't counter but as you say in your post its about offence/defence and vica versa. He lands a right hand then makes JMM miss 3 shots.
4 - Rolls with the right hand to take the sting off of it, counters with an uppercut, rolls under the left hook
5 - Second part of the gif shows him landing the right and pulling from the counter
6 - Rolls with the right hand, counters with his own. The roll hides his ride hand so DLH didn't see it coming.
7 - There is a host of offence and defence in this gif
8 - Right uppercut and rolls under the counter hook.

Offence blended with defence all the way. You don't know what you are looking at. Take some boxing lessons and you'll appreciate the sweet science more.

Right Hook · Oct 23, 2010

SplitDecision said: ↑

Was I drunk when I wrote this? Yes.

Just writing about the stuff that I read on the forums. That is all. Hearns would beat Mayweather just using the jab.

Were you drunk when you spelled were?
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He spelled it correctly

SplitDecision · Oct 23, 2010

Right Hook said: ↑

He spelled it correctly
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Still pissed from last night mate.

mcguirpa · Oct 23, 2010

DLH is winging away with ineffective arm punches and Mayweather just has to tee off. To clarify i'm not saying Mayweather is devoid of skill, just that the skills he has to employ to beat fighters today are not of a particularly high level. If you watch older fights you see constant feinting and adjustment whereas today fighters are so static.
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You're propagating one of the biggest lies in boxing right there - old time fighters were better than modern fighters. If The likes of Gatti, Lewis, Mayweather, Pac, Hamed, Klitschko (both) etc. were recorded in black and white they'd have you jizzin your Y-fronts.

SplitDecision · Oct 23, 2010

mcguirpa said: ↑

You're propagating one of the biggest lies in boxing right there - old time fighters were better than modern fighters. If The likes of Gatti, Lewis, Mayweather, Pac, Hamed, Klitschko (both) etc. were recorded in black and white they'd have you jizzin your Y-fronts.
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Good analysis, you're right i'm quite partial to a bit of black and white.

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