50 Greatest Flyweights of All Time

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  1. White Trunks Black Trim

    White Trunks Black Trim Member booted Full Member

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    If Yuri Arbachakov is here, I think Michael Carbajal should be as well. He accomplished more at Jr Fly, to be sure. I just think he did enough to be mentioned here and I don't personally like some of the jr categories once the weight goes this low. I just bundle 'em, shrug.
     
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  2. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Zapata at least lowest tier.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't see why La Barba is that much lower than Genaro?
    As a Sweaty I should have thought you would have found room for Walter McGowan,he split fights with Burruni if I'm not mistaken? I'd put Kane at least tier 2.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He has a much better resume.

    Very poor resume.

    Noted.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm struggling a bit tbh.

    Can't pick out my 50th fly. Major candidates:

    Sid Smith
    Small Montana
    Freddy Castillo
    Akira Yaegashi

    But there are significant reasons not to pick each of them.
     
  6. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dave McCauley?
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Not an awful shout. But when Duke McKenzie is your best win...
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I guess it'll be Sid Smith.
     
  9. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    Perez is a lot too high, as he never competed at world level but only for regional titles (of South America); there should be rather Narvaez, Hill, Pacquaio or Darchniyan listed.
    Canto is a little bit too high; I have him at place 6 or 7.

    La Barba is far too low, as he's besides Wilde the best in this division of all time. Wonjongkam is clearly top 5. Montana is also too low, just as Harada and Oguma. While Kingpetch is a little bit too high (should be around Harada and Pacquaio). Arbachekow is some places too low.

    Viloria doesn't have any permission to belong here, as he has only two notable wins in this weight class, neither was against the best available opponent (arguable not even top 3; if Marquez was it temporary might be questionable) and these were tight. Rather could be Mthlane, Arce, Sasakul or Morel named.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Here's what I ended up with:

    50 - Corporal Izzy Schwartz
    49 - Little Pancho
    48 - Brian Viloria
    47 - Juan Francisco Estrada
    46 - Gabriel Bernal
    45 - Dado Marino
    44 - Sid Smith
    43 - Joe Symonds
    42 - Lorenzo Parra
    41 - Luis Ibarra
    40 - Fighting Harada
    39 - Erbito Salavarria
    38 - Mark Johnson
    37 - Emile Pladner
    36 - Black Bill
    35 - Johnny Buff
    34 - Venice Borkhorser
    33 - Salvatore Burruni
    32 - Chan-Hee Park
    31 - Shoji Oguma
    30 - Terry Allen
    29 - Muangchai Kittikasem
    28 - Percy Jones
    27 - Santos Laciar
    26 - Efren Torres
    25 - Jackie Paterson
    24 - Roman Gonzalez
    23 - Yoshio Shirai
    22 - Tancy Lee
    21 - Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
    20 - Fidel LaBarba
    19 - Newsboy Brown
    18 - Yuri Arbachakov
    17 - Rinty Monaghan
    16 - Peter Kane
    15 - Betulio Gonzalez
    14 - Sot Chitalada
    13 - Horacio Accavallo
    12 - Hiroyuki Ebihara
    11 - Willie Davies
    10 - Masao Oba
    09 - Pone Kingpetch
    08 - Chartchai Chionoi
    07 - Pancho Villa
    06 - Benny Lynch
    05 - Frankie Genaro
    04 - Midget Wolgast
    03 - Pascual Perez
    02 - Jimmy Wilde
    01 - Miguel Canto
     
  11. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fidel LaBarba clearly won a decision in a bout with Frankie Genaro in Los Angeles during 1925. According to the California State Athletic Commission, the vacant world flyweight title was at stake in the bout. But the New York State Athletic Commission didn't recognize LaBarba as the champion simply because LaBarba was under the age of 21 at the time.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
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  12. Rope-a-Dope

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    I'd put Betulio Gonzalez in there somewhere.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This probably remains the greatest victory by a teenager ever.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He's #15.
     
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  15. Flo_Raiden

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    Would Nonito Donaire and Donnie Nietes fit in somehwere?
     


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