'67 Ali versus '74 Foreman

YOu can ask to another old pósters like mr Bill, janitor, mr
Magoo etc liston weighed 208 in some fights, you will get exposed like the joke that you are

 

The truth is somewhere in between, i think the young, ****y Ali didnt 'expect' to get caught and thus when he did he went down. The older, maturer Ali knew he didnt have his legs anymore so he almost expected and braced himself for the big shots.

This might be a controvesial statement, i have made this comment before.

But i feel in some ways, the exile benefitted Ali, just like Foremans long lay off made him mentally stronger, same with Ali.

The young Ali to me was a fast, amazing fighter relying on speed, had he not been exiled, he may have ended up like a Roy Jones, an old man trying to rely on youthful reflexes and getting knocked out all the tim. The layoff allowed him to realise that he will need to change his style, gave him grit and desire to win back his title and proe everyone wrong.

 

And here is a list of all of Sonny Liston's weights for every fight he ever had. If you or anyone else can show me evidence that refutes this and shows him weighing 208 for ANY fight, I'd like to see it.

Until then, the only one who has been "exposed" is you.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=9031&cat=boxer


By the way, do you still think that Liston-Wepner went "11 rounds"? Maybe you have some evidence that backs that little theory of yours too? :smoke

 

And I understand and have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is posters like you who come on here and aggressively attack and call childish names to anyone you disagree with. Calling someone "stupid", "******" and other names I've heard you call people when they've had a "mistake of memory" while you excuse yourself from that is pure arrogance.

If you're going to be calling people stupid or ****** or whatever juvenile insult you can come up with, it's best to be sure that you aren't posting incorrect information while you do so, which you often do (as I've clearly proven). Because in the end the only one who ends up looking stupid or a "******" is Heavy Handss.

And yes, believe it or not, posting incorrect information DOES make it look like you know less about boxing. Not just in my eyes but in anyone who sees it. You are judged by what you post. So am I. So is everyone.

Don't try and twist things around my friend. You said Liston weighed 208 for plenty of his fights. I showed you every weight he ever logged in on for every fight. NONE of them were 208. Period. You're not allowed to create your owns facts. Name the fight he weighed in at 208 and I'll admit I'm wrong. You can't.

Really? You SURE about that? Your grip on the facts of my life are as bad as your lack of a grip on the basic facts of boxing history.

Anyway, excuse me while I get back to my knitting class......

 

heavy handss getting exposed for the lying little troll that he is.

 

http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=13408

You dont realise that you exposed yourself like the idiot that you are, in your own Link i saw and i send you the point where liston weighed 201 pounds vs martín lee, 7POUNDS LIGHTER THAN 208 (THE WEIGHT THAT YOU SAID THAT LISTON NEVER was)

 

You didn't say he weighed 201. YOU SAID HE WEIGHED 208 FOR SEVERAL FIGHTS. The debate wasn't whether or not he ever weighed in UNDER 208. The debate was whether or not he ever weighed in at 208 pounds for a fight. He did not and the link clearly shows that.

You don't get to move the goal posts around to convenience your argument.

 

You are the most pathetic guy that i found ever here, you dont have even the balls TO admit your mistake, YOU KNOW PERFECTLY THAT MY POINT WAs THAT HE WAS EVEN LIGHTER THAN FRAZIER IN SEVERAL OF HIS PRIME FIGHTS, AND YOU SAID THAT HE NEVER WAS THAT. Light, noW I PROVED THAT YOU WERE WRONG, TAKE IT ****ING TROLL

 

No, I know perfectly well that you said that he weighed in at 208 for "plenty of his fights". Then when I showed you the evidence and proved you wrong, you changed your story. It's all there for everyone to see.

 

Here you go. Your words exactly as you wrote them:
08-25-2013, 03:59 AM #51 heavy_hands
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i guarantee you that i saw 208 pounds in several fights 1 year ago on boxrec .. i would not invent it..


And here:

And here:

 

MY point was not IF he weighed 208 pounds exactly, it is a silly thing, he weighed. 205 , 209 ,207 201, 210, 202, 212. , MY point was that he was clearly smaller than foreman and frazier was as heavy as liston, i dont CARE about IF he weighed exactly 208 pounds, you must be ******ed

 

Nah Heavy Hands, you MEANT to say Liston weighed less than 208 but your words meant something else. Surf-Bat or anyone-& whe was very specific-could not be faulted for taking you at your word.

Frazier weighed 209 vs. Foster, but at the start of teh fight it was said the scale likely was 4-5 lb.s too heavy (by the announcers), prime Frazier was ~ 205, then gained body fat at the end of his career. He was on average a bit lighter than prime Liston, & before his prime lighter than 205. But vuilt very differently, Liston had more upper body mass, Joe bulky below, & Liston with much much longer, bigger arms.

Anyway MUCH more important is that Surf-Bat was 100% correct about you often being childishly verbally abusive.

You write some intelligent posts. IF you want more respect, including as an ethical person, not an anger management child...

Be BETTER than most & surprise & impress us by apologizing.

Then become respected by never calling names & flaming folks who disagree.

This would be impressive indeed.

And help make the forum a better place.

 

I think you're wrong there, Seamus.

 

You need to have your vision checked , mo bhuchaill.

 

sure it was. It was one of your points, as your quotes that I posted clearly illustrate. And all your other points lose credibility when you post misinformation like that and start calling other people stupid and moron and tantrum like a five year old when they call you on it. If you can't even get basic facts straight you are in no position to be calling anyone stupid. The only person who looks stupid when you do that is you. And you do it all the time.