'73 George Foreman vs. '88 Mike Tyson

Tyson is not doing what Frazier and Lyle couldn't do.

 

Both those guys were there to be hit, especially Lyle.

Prime Tyson didn't get hit much.

What happens if Tyson gets past the first few rounds and Foreman has shot his load.

This is a very competitive matchup, not the white wash, easy Foreman KO many think.

 

You're the one who said this a few pages back.. See below.

Tyson took hard punches from all kinds of hitters, ie. Bruno's left, Bruno's right, Smith's right, Ruddock's smash, and all kinds of shots from both Lewis and Holfield, and was NEVER stopped within 5 rounds with way you say he would be against Foreman.

He stopped 25 of 38 victims and most of the men who took him the distance were durable fighters ie, Berbick, Page, McCall, Cobb, etc... Is it your opinion that he was feather fisted?

Indeed. But I don't think the men who Foreman lost to in the 70's necessarily hit harder than the men Tyson lost to in the 90's. George was ineffective beyond the mid point of a fight while Tyson never got taken out early which is when George would NEED to make it happen.. This is my whole point.

See above.

 

This fight could go either way. If it's a shootout it's whoever lands first.

 

Incidentally I have picked Foreman to beat Tyson in fantasy fights before and still believe that it would have been a plausible outcome. But its hardly a forgone conclusion. And nor do I see Tyson losing inside of three rounds, or George having an easy time with him, and certainly not for some of the blanket statement reasons that have been given in this thread.

 

Frazier was not there to be hit in his prime. He was much harder to hit than Tyson.

 

It always makes me laugh when people talk about who's the hardest puncher. The hardest or most effective shot is not always landerd by the hardest puncher, that's a fact. There's all kinds of factors involved, what sort of fight you're in or when in the fight you get copped. It could be early because you haven't warmed or late because you're tired. You might be young and inexperienced or you might a bit slower because you'r getting on. You might be in shape or you might be out of shape.

 

Because Foreman was a fighter of Tyson's mould, he went in there to destroy and would throw lots of shots doing so, the others didn't. George wouldn't go into his shell like Smith, he fought fire with fire.

 

And sometimes it got him in trouble... His guard was constantly low and he threw wild winging shots that while dangerous, also left him open. Look at the way Lyle was tagging and staggering him at will. Imagine a fast handed combination puncher who hit like a truck in Lyle's place? Does this mean Tyson wins? Not necessarily.. But this fight shouldn't be billed as anything less than even money.

 

Not really, he got caught with a big right hand against Lyle. He wasn't being overly aggressive or wild, it's boxing. You keep bringing Lyle up, well replace Bruno with Foreman. What happens if Foreman staggers Tyson like Frank did in the first round?

 

Once again Foreman was rusty coming of a fresh row year exile. He didn't hit nearly as hard as he did in 1973. To quote a user here " Gil was a great boxing man and trainer, and he did start George down the road to what he became in his comeback, but Gil also made big mistakes with George's mechanics. In an effort to shorten his hooks Gil brought Foreman's feet too close together for his makeup and taking away his walk in power in his jab and right hand. Both my brother and I first noticed his right uppercut traveling sideways because of this, totally different then the perfectly thrown ones in the first Frazier go due to Saddlers much wider taught stance with the big man. "

 

I don't think you've seen this fight, because he did a hell of a lot more than just " catch him with a right hand. " Lyle was rocking him from pillar to post at several points in the fight. He decked George twice in the fourth and had him on ***** street. Foreman barely rose just in time to be saved by the bell...

What Ron Lyle did to Foreman in ONE fight is far more significant than anything Bruno did to Tyson in a combined TWO.. He landed a decent shot that made Tyson blink and it didn't even stop Tyson from coming forward and attacking.. And that was a shot that came from a guy who I ( and others ) believe hit harder than Lyle... I've posted the footage.. I've talked about it ad nauseum.. Yet still you rant on like someone whom its painfully obvious has no clue...

 

Bruno had nothing on Lyle and wouldn't have been able to do anything to Foreman. An old Foreman went the distance with a prime Holyfield. Tyson couldn't do that to an ancient Holyfield.

 

Foreman by KO at around the 5th round mark for me. Foreman would not give Tyson any respect and i think Foreman would get into a range where he could hit Tyson but Tyson could not hit him and then throw lots of those swinging hooks. Im a fan of Tyson but when it gets hot he melts.

 

Oh but I have seen the fight, Foreman got caught after initially getting hurt because he was.... Hurt. Sometimes you don't think straight after getting buzzed. Did Lyle ever stop Foreman coming forward and attacking despite dropping him? Since when did Bruno have a great left hook? That was the punch that staggered Tyson, I reckon Lyle's right hand was a bigger shot than a Bruno left hook.