A Case for Ray Leonard being rated over Duran - An Analysis

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Only winding you up:deal

 

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Calling PP a racist is like calling me biased for Italian fighters. Or calling Anarci and Addie racist for Latino fighters. Everyone seems to have a preference in a style or makeup in fighters. Powerpuncher provides his case, and his points. You may disagree, and I do here but let's not throw unnecessary words around.

Lastly on the topic.

Disagreement with this post. I feel SRL was prime/peaked. Hagler was fading and although SRL was inactive, it was Hagler who was beating himself up and others in wars that were beginning to deteriorate him.

I also prefer Duran's conquest above his best weights. And the weight jumping was more significant, while still attaining more success.

Also, the depth and longevity are incredibly important aspects of a fighter's career. I think Duran should be above Leonard. Arguments against that seem a bit thin to me.

 

Magoo,if you read carefully,i said if the other three of the fab four fought above their natural weights v ATGS they would lose MORE than they would win.(not that they wouldnt win any.) Hearns lost to atg hagler,and in fact never beat an atg above his natural weight,he also lost to barkley at 160. (benitez at 154 was not in a classic division,though a great win.) Leonard does have a great win over an atg above his natural division in hagler (albeit,one.) but then he does have losses and draws to hearns at 160,norris at 154 (no less!) and camacho at 160. Also,leonard had no title fights at a third original weight class (that would be 175 for leonard.) but duran has a win over barkley (at 37 years of age.) ,a great performance v hagler,castro,camacho,pazienza,etc... Duran also had the balls to go in with peak atg hearns and peak atg benitez 20 pounds over his best,regardless of him losing. Now put 20/25 pounds on leonard and see how he fars with jones,calzaghe,spinks,nunn and such like...
I hope this makes sense to you now maggie? :good

 

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Great Post! :good

I agree with that. But a jumpt from 135 to 147 is harder than from 147 to 160. And Leaonard was at his best while Hagler clearly was past it.

I agree but beating an ATG welter does not mean he is one himself.

Another great post :good

I really got to you, didn' I? You don't know how much this amuses me

 

By that logic Leonards wins over hearns,duran and benitez were all over guys who were champs at 147 for a very short period. we have to factor in hindsight here,leonard was bloody great in 1980,hagler was still great but there for the taking after a gruelling career....
However,the leonard win over hagler is what makes leonard able to be talked about with duran.
ps; the duran win over leonard is clear cut,the leonard win is still being debated to this day...

 

To clearify my position, I don't have a problem with either man being ranked over the other, but frankly I would like to see some more balanced arguments than just some people drastically placing more emphasis on one criteria to make a statement.

Truthfully, I think there is enough on both sides of the playing field to have these guys as rated equally, though I don't think too many people will ever settle for that position.

 

I can't see them ranked equally. Resumewise they are not that far apart, I agree, but Duran was more dominant, has the better longevity and he moved up higher in weight with seme success and he did so while beeing older.

 

I'm not disagreeing with your position, but be careful how you rate things like dominance in a single division and longevity.. Julio Cesar Chavez had the longest winning streak in history, plus was very dominant in a couple of weight classes, yet he's rated no where near Duran or Leonard. Quality wins in multiple divisions can be just as good or even better depending on who those wins came against and when.. Leonard twice befeated Duran along with having wins over Hagler, Hearns and Benitez for a grand total of 5 victories over all time greats. He also had very losses and was never beaten by anyone who was shy of being a world champ... His only stoppage came at 41 years of age and after a 6 year layoff.

 

And Duran was champ for 7 years and then a year later stepped up 12 pounds to beat a fighter of leaonrd's quality 13 years after turning pro. Could Leo. or any of the others do this. No wayman. they were burned out and used up after 10 years. And Hagler never even contemplated moving up. Duran was the better fighter and history holds him to be so.c

 

And Duran was fighting all these guys evenly past his prime and w/ a completely diff. style than he had up thru the first Leo. fight. He was never the same after that fight but still was able to compete w/ the others.atsch

 

RIGHT. Give Duran everything he had at lightweight in a pfp meeting w/ any of these guys and he knocks them out.:good