A few valid points about Haye Wlad

iceman71 · Jul 4, 2011

Heavyrighthand said: ↑

-Wlad was holding on for a reason in the last round. And you can go all the way back to the first peter fight to find a time when Wlad was stunned, as he was in the 12th against Haye.

-Wlad was also marked up, and when was the last time someone nailed him hard enough to cause that?

-The fight was more competitive than the popular sentiment of this board seems to convey. Wlad did win alot of rounds, but it was not due to his normal steemrolling. Wlad didn'/couldn't land much of anything, himself. Even though he did get the UD decision, it was not due to his normal dominating performance over a lesser man. Some rounds Wlad got, I thought were hard to call.

-Haye is, still, top four or five heavy in the world, even though you'd think he's been beaten by someone like Vinnie Maddelone, the way he's taken apart for losing a decision to the world champion. LOL.

-Even though Wlad knew the backlash of criticism he got from the tentative Ibragimov performance, he ended up with another *Ibragimov*, in light of all the boring descriptions he endures. Odd outcome, if Haye was such a pushover.

I think Wlad was frustrated with how hard Haye was to hit, and how ineffective his jab was. Haye's very impressive defensive movement was the cause of that.

Bottom line...................I think Haye's cocky proclamations of head severing and hospitalization before the fight were taken literally by the younger members of this site, and they don't see that as merely a part of promoting a fight into a mega fight.

So they take their literal translation of Haye's prefight hype, their hatred and the strong emotion they feel towards Haye and as a result, they understate his performance and the threat he still poses to Wlad.

That's my take on this board's wacky attitude towards Haye, anyway.

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A rematch with Haye would still be the most interesting fight for Wlad, hate Haye, or not, he is still where the most money and interest are.
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its sad in this day and time, a guy gets praised for losing 10 of 12 rounds and 11 of 12 rounds....and landing 72 punches over 12 rounds....sorry no credit for that
i will give credit for coming to germany and walking through that bull**** he had to walk through...showing up at the post fight press conference and finally shaking hands.....

Heavyrighthand · Jul 4, 2011

Rob887 said: ↑

Some very fair points.

I think people are judging Haye more on failing to do what he bragged he was going to do rather than his actual performance on the night, which in the grand scheme of things compared to other Wlad opponents efforts, wasn't that bad. It's a stretch to say he did well, but his performance certainly wasn't as bad as is being made out.

Wlad won most the rounds, but most of the rounds were fairly close. There was no domination, and neither man really landed that much.

A clear win on the cards for Wlad, but it certainly wasn't as comprehensive a victory as is being made out.

Some of Haye's defensive work was very impressive, especially more so for a HW and it was very clear that at times he was frustrating Wlad big time.

Offensively Haye came up short.

Away from all the trash talk etc, boxing wise there were some merits to Haye's efforts. He lost, wasn't good enough on the night, but it wasn't all bad.
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Good input.

After reading so many posts slamming Haye, I think some are either overwhelmed with unfair emotion towards him, or they saw a different fight than I did.

Being a Wlad fan, I gotta openly admit that Haye was the most competitive fight Wlad has been in since Peter I, without question.

Schuden · Jul 4, 2011

Heavyrighthand said: ↑

-Wlad was holding on for a reason in the last round. And you can go all the way back to the first peter fight to find a time when Wlad was stunned, as he was in the 12th against Haye.

-Wlad was also marked up, and when was the last time someone nailed him hard enough to cause that?

-The fight was more competitive than the popular sentiment of this board seems to convey. Wlad did win alot of rounds, but it was not due to his normal steemrolling. Wlad didn'/couldn't land much of anything, himself. Even though he did get the UD decision, it was not due to his normal dominating performance over a lesser man. Some rounds Wlad got, I thought were hard to call.

-Haye is, still, top four or five heavy in the world, even though you'd think he's been beaten by someone like Vinnie Maddelone, the way he's taken apart for losing a decision to the world champion. LOL.

-Even though Wlad knew the backlash of criticism he got from the tentative Ibragimov performance, he ended up with another *Ibragimov*, in light of all the boring descriptions he endures. Odd outcome, if Haye was such a pushover.

I think Wlad was frustrated with how hard Haye was to hit, and how ineffective his jab was. Haye's very impressive defensive movement was the cause of that.

Bottom line...................I think Haye's cocky proclamations of head severing and hospitalization before the fight were taken literally by the younger members of this site, and they don't see that as merely a part of promoting a fight into a mega fight.

So they take their literal translation of Haye's prefight hype, their hatred and the strong emotion they feel towards Haye and as a result, they understate his performance and the threat he still poses to Wlad.

That's my take on this board's wacky attitude towards Haye, anyway.

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A rematch with Haye would still be the most interesting fight for Wlad, hate Haye, or not, he is still where the most money and interest are.
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Who in his right mind would want to see a rematch, let alone pay for it. Expect a better fight against Adamek.

EpsilonAxis · Jul 4, 2011

Heavyrighthand said: ↑

-Wlad was holding on for a reason in the last round. And you can go all the way back to the first peter fight to find a time when Wlad was stunned, as he was in the 12th against Haye.

-Wlad was also marked up, and when was the last time someone nailed him hard enough to cause that?

-The fight was more competitive than the popular sentiment of this board seems to convey. Wlad did win alot of rounds, but it was not due to his normal steemrolling. Wlad didn'/couldn't land much of anything, himself. Even though he did get the UD decision, it was not due to his normal dominating performance over a lesser man. Some rounds Wlad got, I thought were hard to call.

-Haye is, still, top four or five heavy in the world, even though you'd think he's been beaten by someone like Vinnie Maddelone, the way he's taken apart for losing a decision to the world champion. LOL.

-Even though Wlad knew the backlash of criticism he got from the tentative Ibragimov performance, he ended up with another *Ibragimov*, in light of all the boring descriptions he endures. Odd outcome, if Haye was such a pushover.

I think Wlad was frustrated with how hard Haye was to hit, and how ineffective his jab was. Haye's very impressive defensive movement was the cause of that.

Bottom line...................I think Haye's cocky proclamations of head severing and hospitalization before the fight were taken literally by the younger members of this site, and they don't see that as merely a part of promoting a fight into a mega fight.

So they take their literal translation of Haye's prefight hype, their hatred and the strong emotion they feel towards Haye and as a result, they understate his performance and the threat he still poses to Wlad.

That's my take on this board's wacky attitude towards Haye, anyway.

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A rematch with Haye would still be the most interesting fight for Wlad, hate Haye, or not, he is still where the most money and interest are.
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I thought it was quite competitive, and even though people on this site find it boring, I didn't. I'd watch a rematch.

WiDDoW_MaKeR · Jul 4, 2011

MickeyBlueEyess said: ↑

Really when was Haye hurt? Must of missed that :bart
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I don't think that either was ever hurt badly in that fight. However, if anyone was hurt in the 12th... I would say that it was Haye at the 1:50 mark of the 12th round in this video. Watch after Wlad lands that right hand... Haye's left leg locks out and he immediately looks unsteady and backing up. I am not sure if he was hurt... but that is a much better case than Wlad being hurt.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su94I7ZKQ4Y[/ame]

DOM5153 · Jul 4, 2011

WiDDoW_MaKeR said: ↑

Wlad can't have been hurt because he is a god in my eyes? How's that... he has been hurt before, and if he keeps on going long enough I am sure he will be hurt again. However, he clearly was NOT hurt in his fight against Haye. Wlad barely held all night... and he did in the 12th exactly what he is trained to do. Just as Lewis, Ali ect... have done. You don't only clinch when you are hurt. You clinch to put a halt to your opponents progression in his offensive attack. Haye landed a successful shot, and was in position to follow up. Wlad put an end to it with a tactical clinch... and then went right back to work back to work, bouncing on his toes and being aggressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su94I7ZKQ4Y

If you watch that and see a fighter who is hurt... then you aren't a very educated boxing observer.

Wlad isn't "wobbling" around while in his clinches. He is being smart by riding out his opponent. In other words, he is forcing his opponent to carry his weight. He does it just about every time that he clinches, just as big men are taught to do. It may make them look like they are off balance, but it is simply because they are riding out and leaning into their opponent. You can tell that Wlad wasn't hurt by the way that he was so clear headed on the break and the way he was bouncing around and right back to work afterward. It isn't as if he charged and held immediately when they engaged again. We have all seen Wlad hurt before, and he certainly shows it when he is.
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The general consensus is that Wlad was hurt during that barrage of punches, you are actually in the minority of people who think Wlad wasnt hurt. You dont have to wobble to be hurt, wlad looked disorganised and desperate to hold on during the aftermath, it was a tatical clinch, but one that allowed him to clear his head before going back to work. That is the definition of being hurt, its not like he was on ***** street or anything.

Heavyrighthand · Jul 4, 2011

RoosterC said: ↑

LMAO, a guy gets hit, holds for a few seconds and all of a sudden he is stunned and aboiut to fall. Ali held a million times when he was hit, Ali was also never knocked out.....Ali was smart, Ali won fights. Wlad was never hurt, but haye was hurt twice in the fight.

You haye fans crack me up.
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I am a realistic Wlad fan. And I call em like I see em.

He held Haye by the neck and rode him around the ring for a full lap or two yes, because the first that caught him was enough to stun him and put him in a very defensive *I can't take another of those til I recover a bit* mindset.

Then he then proceeded to tie Haye up and ride him around the ring, while the ref did nothing but watch in amazement and follow them around. :blood

DOM5153 · Jul 4, 2011

Heavyrighthand said: ↑

I am a realistic Wlad fan. And I call em like I see em.

He held Haye by the neck and rode him around the ring for a full lap or two yes, because the first that caught him was enough to stun him and put him in a very defensive *I can't take another of those til I recover a bit* mindset.

Then he then proceeded to tie Haye up and ride him around the ring, while the ref did nothing but watch in amazement and follow them around. :blood
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and then Wlad pushes his elbow/forearm into Haye's back:roll:

WiDDoW_MaKeR · Jul 4, 2011

What a bunch of crying bitches. Just like Haye.

kidgloves · Jul 4, 2011

WiDDoW_MaKeR said: ↑

I don't think that either was ever hurt badly in that fight. However, if anyone was hurt in the 12th... I would say that it was Haye at the 1:50 mark of the 12th round in this video. Watch after Wlad lands that right hand... Haye's left leg locks out and he immediately looks unsteady and backing up. I am not sure if he was hurt... but that is a much better case than Wlad being hurt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su94I7ZKQ4Y
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****ing hell mate. Youre seeing what you want to see. Maybe if you took your eyes off of Wlad for a second you might actually appreciate the work of his opponent

Two Shakes · Jul 4, 2011

I see the Hayelords are starting to reappear and make excuse's.
The admirable thing to do when your wrong is to hold your hands up and admit you were wrong.This group ego massaging isn't the way to win people over.
The fight was most certainly not competitive,one man was in control,the other desperate.Whilst Haye landed a few of his Hayemakers on Wlad,he was never hanging on about to be KO'd.
The fight proved that Haye was overmatched,and only had the hope of one of his wild looping punches doing some damage which it clearly didn't.He was outboxed pure and simple.

dave-slave · Jul 4, 2011

RoosterC said: ↑

LMAO, a guy gets hit, holds for a few seconds and all of a sudden he is stunned and aboiut to fall. Ali held a million times when he was hit, Ali was also never knocked out.....Ali was smart, Ali won fights. Wlad was never hurt, but haye was hurt twice in the fight.

You haye fans crack me up.
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Rooster, Rawling on sky said Wlad was hurt in the 12th (he also said Haye was) which is why people think he was. Not sure what rtl or hbo said..

He got hit and held because Manny had told him to, he knew Haye was going to lunge in and throw his wild punches and that's what Haye did try! I noticed those shots aimed at the back of the head Mr Haye!!!!

The backlash against Haye is not because of what happened in the fight, it's because of Haye's mouth over the last 3 years.

If he was quiet and humble like Adamek, he would not be feeling the backlash he is. The Brit press are hammering him.

DOM5153 · Jul 4, 2011

WiDDoW_MaKeR said: ↑

What a bunch of crying bitches. Just like Haye.
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Oh sorry i forgot of course Wladimir the Great can do no wrong, jesus christ would it hurt to admit that Haye actually hurt your hero or that Wlads clinching can get excessive, instead of coming up with a lame insult why dont you try and explain why im wrong.:smoke

WiDDoW_MaKeR · Jul 4, 2011

DOM5153 said: ↑

Oh sorry i forgot of course Wladimir the Great can do no wrong, jesus christ would it hurt to admit that Haye actually hurt your hero or that Wlads clinching can get excessive, instead of coming up with a lame insult why dont you try and explain why im wrong.:smoke
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If Haye hurt Wlad, why on earth would I care to admit it? I have never had a problem admitting when Wlad was hurt before, and it isn't like we have never seen it happen. You bums are just trying to hold onto something that isn't there.

If you had the ability to read you would see that I clearly already proved what you are saying is wrong. You fail to rebuttal what I put forth.

Jax · Jul 4, 2011

Saw the refs mindset in the 12th when he thought Vlad had been caught, he let Vlad hold Haye for a full 13 secs, Vlad then threw Haye to the ground...

Pathetic reffing.

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