A huge diffeence between Oscar and Leonard

Oscar throws better combos than Leonard? Jesus Christ are you high, or just ignorant?

 

Leanord for all his faults had Atg skills, he was always willing to take a chance, yes he was a calculating **** and usually got his way as he was the darling of the media then. But fighting Hagler after being out of the ring for years regardless of Haglers eroding skills at the time still took balls and getting drubbed by Norris you see Ray had confidence in his abilities and so he was drubbed and beaten on a few occasion. But DLH' whole career is one of carefull matchmaking where he usually either had a height or power advantage. He feasted on Tito retreads Hasnt fought a meaningful fight in years and is exiting the sport like a ***** instead of on his sword like a real man.

 

Careful matchmaking? That´s why fought Tito, Hopkins and Mayweather right?

Imo DLH is a bit underrated on here, he´s one of the greatest of his time, his resume is a who is who of his weightclasses and his time, yeah he lost some of them but why do fighters of the past get excused for it and get praised for picking on everyone but DLH is held to a different standard? I´m by no means a fan of him but you guys should be more objective.

Leonard is an atg. DLH maybe isn´t one but he was a damned good fighter and is up there with Jones, Hopkins, Pacman and Mayweather.

 

Anyone remember on The Contender when a 50 year old Leonard schooled a still active De La Hoya on the rope?

 

Well, he had some good skills, didn´t he. Look at his resume. It´s great. He took on everyone who was supposed to be someone in his weightclasses. Some of them he beat and some of them beat him but he took them on and that´s very rare today. That shows the desire to be called great and that counts a lot to me today.

Why don´t you give DLH than credit for facing everyone? I mean the only one you could say he "ducked" was Zoo.

Regarding the other 4 fighters. I´m very strict in who is an atg or a great. Of those 4 only Pac is an atg since I think there are only 25 of them - and that just barely. Hopkins is a great mw, Mayweather is a great sfw. Well, Jones fell short on my lists, he just missed out the top10 at lhw - meaning he isn´t great there - and missed out my top20 p4p - meaning he is no p4p great - so he comes out as not great at all which is a bit unfair I think because he was but well that´s the rules I decided to go by.

 

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I'm a Liverpool fan.

 

I'm no fan of DLH, but the man has a reasonable argument for having beat Tito, Whitaker, Mosley, Mayweather, Quartey as well as Chavez, Vargas, Hernandez and Molina. That's nothing to sneeze at - that's the best ACCOMPLISHMENTS resume in the last 20 years.

It leaves the likes of Mayweather and Pac SQUARELY in the dust.

Oscar isn't as great as Leonard for me, not as great as Jones, but right now, he sits above above Mayweather and Pac, easy.

 

Oscar throws better combos than Leonard. WITHOUT HESITATION.

Check out the Trinidad clip as a sample.

 

Nah, I never said you wrote DLH ducked anybody but I had the impression you thought DLH was not on the level of the other good fighters of his era like Jones.
If you compare him to guys like Leonard or Robinson than he isn´t on their level but that´s obvious.
Imo in these times the desire to be great and the willingness to fight the best should count more than in the past because it´s much easier to duck opponents nowadays.

Well, it comes all down to criteria - I don´t take h2h into account at all, too much speculation imo - and oppinion.

I don´t, believe me. I think you are a pretty good poster and one of the more objective guys on here :good