A Peak Jack Sharkey In Todays HW Division

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think it was Muldoon.

    Who ever said it I have to agree.
     
  2. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His inconsistancy is overated, for nine yearten years he was world rated and from his(avenged) Gorman loss until he lost the title he lost only three fights while fightin as good a level of fighter as any heavyweight ever done. His losses were to Risko by disputed split(he also beat Risko) the ko loss to Dempsey after a foul in a fight he was winning and the disqualification to Max Schmeling in another fight he was winning.
    Loughran, Schmeling, Carnera, Wills, Godfrey and a slew of other top contenders were vanquished. Most top fighters were at least as inconsistant as this.
     
  3. janitor

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    To be fair he was a hot head.

    He nearly blew a couple of the fights that he won due to his temprament.
     
  4. Maxmomer

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    What cruiserweights today do you see beating him?
     
  5. janitor

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    An article priinted in the run up to Wills Sharkey

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...J0LAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jlQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6257,3958853

    Sharkeys observations:


    With his elbow on the mahogany counter of his establishment, Sharkey reminisced about his long fisticuffs career. He pointed out former opponents from among the photographs which clutter the walls of the Ringside. When he noticed Joe Louis' it called to mind the previous brown menace. Harry Wills.

    "It was in October, 1926 that I removed Wills from the ring game.
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    I was pretty busy that year. With not six weeks between that fight and my go with George Godfrey, I had to be in pretty good shape. Godfrey and Wills were the leading contenders of the day, and when I eliminated them the way was clear for Dempsey to win the championships
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    http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...p0LAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jlQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3655,4389796
     
  6. bodhi

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    And again, he never beat Schmeling. Just on paper :bart And Wills was done when Sharkey beat him. And he also lost to Carnera and Loughran.
     
  7. janitor

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    Today Sharkey wouyld have won the first Schmeling fight by TD. He totaly frustrated Schmeling who basicaly went on to build his entire style around rematching Jack Sharkey.

    Wills might have been past his best but he was still the leading contender allong with George Godfrey and Sharkey beat them both a few weeks apart.

    Sharkey handily beat both Carnera and Loughran when he was at his best and only lost to them when he started to slip.
     
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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    excelent post. i agree with this entirely and it does not aply only to sharkey. If we rate fighters on their finest night buster douglas is in the top 3 pound for pounders. It doesnt work like that though. sure sharkey did have a good run but within it he slipped up against unremarcable (albeit world class) types.
    I will go this far, sharkey was beter than all the guys who did not win a linear world title and even money against those that did. he would be the same today.
     
  11. mattdonnellon

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    Most people thought he lost the second Schmeling but not everybody. Most people thought Max played up the low blow in the first fight. Why dont we scrap all results and super-impose them popular opinion?
    Will's certainly was done because Sharkey beat him. What about Godfrey?
    Hard to talk that one down.
    Name 10 heavyweights who beat the level of fighter over a ten year period that Sharkey did. With allmost no padding in his record. The range was good also, good light-heavyweights to super-heavyweights.
    All heavyweights have had several bad nights, while often fighting less fights against top contenders.
     
  12. TheGreatA

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    Schmeling took a beating in the first Sharkey fight:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYz_e9WnGjc[/ame]

    3:40

    To this date the only time the heavyweight title has been won on a DQ.

    I have footage of a couple of good Sharkey fights that I haven''t added to this highlight yet.

    Sharkey was seen as a villain at the time, known for his big mouth and boasts that he couldn't always quite live up to. I wouldn't say he suffered from any confidence issues, in fact you could say he was over-confident actually. He said Walker was just a tune-up and even while completely washed up said he would "annihilate" Joe Louis and expose him.
     
  13. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sharkey on a good night would do well against most, and falter against some of the giants. Vitali may catch him clean like Carnera did.
     
  14. bodhi

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    The first fight went on 4 rounds. Who would have thought Lewis would win by TKO against Vitali after 4 rounds?
    Today Sharkey would have won by TD but they didn't fight today.

    All true and I don't want talk Sharkey down. Just put all these high-praising posts into perspective. I think it's great that he get's his due but some exagerate it a bit.


    Well, Sharkey landed that low blow, if Schmeling played it up or not is pure speculation. So, you think Whitaker-Chavez was a draw?

    Wills was on the tail end of his career and from all I heard it was obvious that he wasn the same anymore.
    I don't want to talk any win down. You just seem to ignore everything that could be hold agianst Sharkey and concentrate on the good. I want to counter-balance that.

    Max Schmeling :D


    True, he did dominate the first fight ... and then blew it with a low blow. Why ignore that? Why should he be excused for that?
     
  15. he grant

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    In his prime Sharkey was a terrific fighter .... He would dice up an unproven loud mouth like Haye without question ... he'd beat most of these other jokers as easily as he beat Carnera in their first bout ...