A Peak Jack Sharkey In Todays HW Division

bob foster would hand sharkey his arse

 

I didn't know that one low blow warranted a DQ. Especially since Dempsey landed numerous punches low on Sharkey and didn't even get a warning.

 

He would do as well as Ruiz,Chagaev,Maskaev,Peter,Gomez, but would have BIG trouble with the K's

 

Like he did to Folley, Jones, Mina? Yeah, right.
Posted by mattdonellon

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Name 10 heavyweights who beat the level of fighter over a ten year period that Sharkey did. With allmost no padding in his record. The range was good also, good light-heavyweights to super-heavyweights.
All heavyweights have had several bad nights, while often fighting less fights against top contenders.
Max Schmeling :-D

Yeah, Max is a good pick. So what about the other nine?
Johnson, Langford, Wills (great till Sharkey beat him, washed up after that) Dempsey,Louis, Patterson, Liston-maybe-, Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield at best have a claim. And that about consistancy, Sharkey's perceived weakness.
Of course we are talking Jack up a bit but not much-his resumee stands on it's own and we are only highlighting it as his stock has fallen so much that some posters are rating him amoungst the weaker champions. H2H or on resumee this is ludicrous.
If we wanted to bash Max, we would zoom in on the Gypsy Daniels embarrasment, the loss to Hamas or his difficulties with a past it Uzcuden. But everybody is entitled to an off day or two in every ten years(except Sharkey?)
To the matter at hand Jack could beat Valuev, Haye, Chambers, Povetkin, Thompson but the Vitali has the style to discomode him and Sharkey probably hadn't eneough firepower to spark Wlad.

 

Some people today would rank Sharkey among the weaker lineal champions.

What mattdonellon, H E Grant and myself are doing here is saying "hold on, there are dimensions to this guys record that people are not seeing here".

Yes Wills was past his prime but a lot of top white contenders slept the sleep of the saved the night that Sharkey beat him. Same with George Godfrey.

 

That seems to depend on the judge most of the time.

Dempsey and Liston are questionable, I think. Johnson has more claim than them.

I agree with that, I just don't like it when people just talk about the good things and ignore the bad.

Daniels was his last fight at lhw. He moved up because he couldn't make weight anymore. This loss just showed it. Max was badly weight drained.
Schmeling beat a pek Uzcudun, drew with him and beat him again. Don't know how this is "having problems".
Yeah, he lost to him. and that was not a night off. Hamas was better then. Nevertheless Schmeling come back and gave him a bad beating, retiring him when I remember right.
The only losses of Schmeling I really rate are those against Baer, Hamas and Louis and he also holds a win against two of them.

Actually, I think Sharkey at his best would beat Vitali. Wlad would always be a problem though.

I agree but you can't just ignore the wrongs in a career when mentioning the rights, imo. Personally, I think the time between Tunney and Louis is a very underated when it comes to hws.

 

I think we have more common ground than not. Enjoyed the debate!

 

Vitali Klit would pound the '32 version of Sharkey through the canvas onward to China....

Wlad Klit, as long as he doesn't get nailed on the chin, would slice, dice and hammer Sharkey into submission pretty decisively....

Hell, even Eddie Chambs. would be very slick and slippery at 210 to 220 pounds for Sharkman.....

Jack Sharkey doesn't do well with the above mentioned dudes......:-(

MR.BILL

 

Taking your points in turn:

Sharkey had the tools on paper to beat both Klitschko brothers.

If I was his manager and he was a contender today I would be looking for a win against either of them.

Neither of them would have anything resembling an easy time with him if he is on form.

Even if he lost to them, they are both building resumes that will see them ranked alongside the top fighters of the 30s.

Eddie Chambers is exactly the type of fighter that an on form Sharkey could crucify. He would have no significant physical advantage over the 200lb Sharkey, and he didn't hit as hard.

Only time will tell if he was as slick.

 

Guys like Godfrey and Wills whom Sharkey beat would have smeared Foster,Skinny Bob NEVER beat a rated Heavy.

 

:good

 

Absolutely none ,and apart[ possibly ], from the Klits, I would make him favourite over all the other heavies.
Sharkey has a pisspoor ko % ,very misleading,Dempsey stated he thought Sharkey was going to stop him, he felt every one of his shots.
Sharkey was little his near contemporary Baer[imo], if the" best" version turned up, you were in for a hard night.