A work in progress, how does Vitlai Klitschko rate as an ATG heavyweight?

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    There is still some degree of hope for his legacy to improve. He has already vastly improved his resume by winning a world title under most unfavorable circumstances against a prime titilist. He is now about to take on a top rated challenger. In the meantime, should Wladimir Klitschko be upset by someone else, it may open up a door of opportunity for Vitali to gain recognition as today's lineal champ, if he can then beat this would be opponent.
     
  2. teeto

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    Let's hope so!!
     
  3. Quick Cash

    Quick Cash Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The only way this argument would be even remotely defensible is if it were based solely on head-to-head ability. He's a tough guy to beat and that's about it.
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Please explain to me why the prime Ali dropped rounds to the likes of Mildenberger, Chavlao, and Doug Jones? I highly doubt Vitlai looses more than two rounds vs these opponents, yet a prime Ali lost at least eight.

    I am all ears Quick Cash.

    Legacy may be defined many ways. The ability to dominate the scorecards is part of it, and in this context, Vitlai is clearly #1. As I said in post #1 of this thread, Vitlai owns the all time KO%, was never being floored by a punch, and owns an all time comeback win at age 37+ with almost 4 years off and no tune up fights.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    Vitlai was training for a ten rounder vs an unknown type. Would you not agree that if Vitlai knew it was Lewis all along, he trains harder?

    Vitlai took the fight on less than 2 weeks notice. Advantage Lewis.

    Also, Byrd was rated #1 by ring magazine for a while. He was hardly an easy mark. What Byrd was is LUCKY. He won the same way an average player in tennis beats the #1 seed, far down on points only to be bailed out by an injury.
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Their are two problems with your claim here

    1. Vitali Klitschko never fought the men you listed, therefore there is no way we could possibly tell how he'd perform against them.

    2. While Ali has had some very close calls against lesser opponents, he at least has the claim to beating men who were genuine greats during his era, ie. Patterson, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, etc....
     
  7. Mendoza

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    I think Ali beat the best competition. However I think it stretches intellectual honesty if you think Vital would drop that many rounds vs the likes of Doug Jones, Mildenberger, or Chavalo.

    My question stands for Quick Cash.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    Lennox himself claimed it came to fruition after the event that Vitali's team did a deal with Johnson to step aside. Therefore Vitali was training his ass off for a title shot and not a 10rounder. Lewis was 10lbs over his Rahman 2 weight and about 20lbs over his prime weight

    Byrd wasn't bailed out by an injury he was bailed out by a quiter who was gasping for oxygen because Vitali's stamina down the stretch isn't remarkable. Byrd isn't a no mark, his skills are decent but he is 1 of the weakest punchers in HW history (contender wise).
     
  9. PowerPuncher

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    Quitali would probably quit against 1 of them. These were all top10 ranked HW contenders and would be 3 of the best on Vitalis record, maybe 1 or more of them beats him.

    How can you pick out 3 of Alis fights which he won while being he wasnt at his as a comparison for greatness?

    Grasping at straws
     
  10. Mendoza

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    If you know anything about how a fighter trains for a fight, there is nothing but light contact in the final week. Most of the conditioning comes far before 10 days to go before the fight, not to mention the fact that Vitlai was training for a very different opponents.


    No way Vitlai had enough time to prepare for Lewis. If Vitlai had known it was Lewis 2 months in advanced, we would see a better prepared fighter. To argue differently is foolhardy.

    Vitlai has plenty of stamina, which is why he is able to score very late round knockouts. In fact Vitlai punch out put is on par with fighters with legendary stamina. Compare Vitlai punch stat numbers to Rocky Marciano, and Joe Fraizer if you dare, and you will see I am correct. To suggest Vitali quit in the Byrd fight because he was gassed is foolish. He tore up his shoulder in round three ( Verified by HBO interpreter ) and retired because he lost the feel in his arm and feared a career threating injury before he made a lot of
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Your ability to score fight, and hate for Vitlai is well known here Power Puncher.

    Oh, and just so you know Ali was ready to quit vs Liston, but Angelo Dundee did not let him. If Vitlai had Dundee in his corner vs Bryd perhaps he urges him on. As it was, Vitlai's trainer who was green to the pro ranks, Ftiz Sdunek said nothing.
     
  12. BoxingFanNo1

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    I look at Vitali one way.
    A great boxer in the wrong era.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

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    Depends how far before the fight they knew they'd be able to get the fight, Vitali was in his best shape, in his prime and fighting an old nearly 38yo Lewis, 20lbs over his best weight and still got his ass kicked.

    Vitali throws arm punches which are easy to throw allot of

    Jesus Chavez, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Danny Williams all tore their shoulders and fought on, plenty of fighters have
     
  14. PowerPuncher

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    Ali wanted to quit because he was blinded which is far far more dangerous than a shoulder injury you ******. Any decent fighter could KO Ali if he was blind for a few rounds.

    Wait tell us again how Vitali's comeback against Sam 'Fatty Boy' Peter is the best in the history of boxing :lol:
     
  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Um, no Ali was not blinded. He was merely blinking with a burning sensation. And who says Ali was blind for a few rounds? Only you. It was only one round. I think you need to get your facts straight before calling anyone here a ******.

    Alternatively, ponder this. In your mind if any decent fighter could KO Ali if he was blind a few rounds as you ascertain, they why didn't Liston do it?. Surely, Liston was a decent fighter.[/FONT]