Abraham Unification in US

Oh, absolutely. Felix Sturm was intelligent enough to tell that in their faces but nobody cared and that makes one want to throw up. And I noticed an interesting trait here and that is that american based fighters don't want to fight german based fighters in Germany but they still want to fight them. If guys like Pavlik and Taylor can knockout "paper champions" like Abraham, they can do it everywhere on earth... Abraham is just a great technician and a tough guy, nothing of this kind of talk would take place if the IBF had not stripped Taylor. There is not enough evidence to say that Kelly would do this or that to Arthur, not even the Edison Miranda fights. Abraham is just being judged by what some fans think he should do and that has its value.

 

Really discriminating xenophobic ****s in here.

 

American TV wants the big fights in the United States, for obvious reasons. And if you think they don't rule, just look how HBO had to assist Warren to make Calzaghe vs. Kessler happen.

If Abraham can convince the networks to broadcast his fights from Germany, all power to him, but until that happens, it's up to him to raise his profile. Miranda did that, Calzaghe (by agreeing to odd fight times) did that and Hatton certainly has done that.

And there's need to place quotation marks around "paper champion." Abraham absolutely is a paper champion, by anyone's definition.

 

I guess I am replyin directly towards an american corporation representative then. Whether that is the case or not, it doesn't matter cause it really gives me an opportunity to express my free thinking on such an issue. As a european citizen, I personally descredit all of your assumptions on who rules and rules not. Calzaghe and Hatton can all synchronze their biological clocks and make that extra cash fighting at 2 a.m. for Showtime and HBO, Miranda can make a career comeback fighting and being marketed by HBO - I would probably do the same. What does that prove? Only that the media are interesting spaces/sorces to make more profit and finantial incomes from your fighting - they don't dictate the rules as yet.

Abraham probably was one of those poor eastern europeans who enjoys the hard earned luxury and glamour in Germany. That is the same as to say that he would continue fighting in Germany until his career comes to an end, just like Ottke or Michalczewski, unless those who call him a "paper champion" ( with quotation marks yes) pay very, very well to see him fight someone else and elsewhere. In this Neo Liberal World of ours and under the fast-changing globalisation reality, there are some countries who don't need the US egotistical propaganda, Germany being one of those of course and I am not even german... Respectfully, your friend Dorf.

 

I don't understand what you're saying. Of course Abraham is able to stay in Germany his entire career, if he wants. He can make a lot of money that way, but he can't talk to anyone about wanting to be champion, which I thought was a major tenant of this thread.

And how could anyone *not* consider him a paper titlist? He was awarded that belt only after the legitimate, won-it-in-the-ring champ was stripped arbitrarily. It's a classic case of political gerrymandering, which you seem to decry when it pertains to United States television and "US egotistical propaganda" in general.

I think you've defeated your own argument by defending Abraham's belt, which is hollow propaganda as much as anything you witness on 24/7. And this isn't about American or Germany; it's about a world-class fighter who presumably ought to want to win a championship. It's fine if he doesn't want to, but in that case he and his fans need to stop talking a big game.

Do you think Abraham wants to be remembered as an Ottke?

 

I think Arthur is serious about coming to the United States. He wants to fight the best and I hope his management allows him to do so. I'd take Pavlik over him...

 

Go King Arthur!! Love for Armenia

 

Why would anyone take Abraham over Pavlik, he has no advantages whatsoever, except MAYBE defense, which is still very leaky. I would pick Taylor and Pavlik over this joke of a champion.

 

Well that's what he saying now. Let's see if he's up to what he says.

AND . . . what does he mean by " for unification it has to be against Pavlik?" No belts on the line for the rematch? :think

 

Since it is going to be fought at a catch weight, Pavliks belts arent on the line.

 

I believe that Abraham won the vacant IBF MW championship against Kingsley Ikeke and that the linear Champion gave up that belt cause he was under contract to face the former number one contender and opted to rematch Hopkins instead - that's the political gerrymandering. So Abraham won the title (not awarded, can't be considered a paper champion like B-Hop and The Universally recognized LHWT Championship LOL) and I still consider him the IBF legit title holder since Taylor didn't want to face either him or Ikeke.

I think that Abraham would want to be remembered as "an" Ottke in Germany at least, that would mean 22 defenses of the IBF title and 5 defenses of the WBA title - beating Glen Johnson, Charles Brewer, Anthony Mundine, Thomas Tate, Byron Mitchell, Mads Larsen and Robin Reid in the process... Of course he wouldn't be remembered in the US but you gat to see, Joe Calzaghe beat 18 SMW title opponents but had to beat up former IBF Champion american Jeff Lacy to become known in the States - Abraham can beat the winner of Pavlik/Taylor wherever to become more famous and richer too, I suggest. Since I am not found of Abraham more than I am of Taylor or of Pavlik, it's the same to me, I can always see him fight in European broadcasts...

 

Freudian slip? Your landlord charging you too much? It's "tenet", not "tenant".

 

It can't happen the way his promoters have set it out. They said he wants another big fight in Germany, then a fight in the US. Well, I've got news: if he wants to be a big enough name to get HBO or Showtime to pick up a unification fight in the US, he'll need to fight a smaller name in the US to get the name recognition first.

 

Let me guess: The SUN wrote it and frankwarren.tv confirmed it...

 

This coming from the same guy who was derailing the pavlik hype train,,,stating that pavlik would get his ass beat by taylor,,,now pavlik would ruin abraham. :huh