AA is totally overrated. In a neutral country he would have lost yet against Miranda (but I respect his heart), and he faced beside him only bums (former LMW´s, etc.), I mean, he showed good power against a LMW like Gevor, or a skinny bum like Ikeke, but he never KO´d elite guys like Pavlik did. AA is also way too passive to win rounds against Kelly, Pavlik is a fighter, who throws 100+ punches/round, every punchs with very good power, because of AA´s very good chin it would go to the midrounds, until AA gets stopped... but I doubt if this fight will happen, AA probably won´t come to the States to fight Pavlik...
abraham knocked out velazco, beat eastman, survived miranda and destroyed gevor. pavlik killed an already dead miranda and beat up taylor. believe me, pavlik can go forward and throw bombs and only bums forget to react, like taylor did. he should have won the fight by using a TECHNIQUE. abraham will not go down but floor pavlik himself, no doubt. abraham has the better defense and he moves better and throws equally hrad if not harder. he also has the harder chin. pavlik was lucky to win against taylor because the former champ made a lot of mistakes. dont get me wrong-pavlik is great, probably the second best around but abraham is the greatest middleweight around and we all will see soon. he will conquer the states and become unified champion. pavlik will go down against arthur abraham.
well abraham was intimidated by an over the hill and passive howard eastman and stayed in his shell most of the fight.what he will make of pavlik would be very interesting.
AA has a great chin? Why do you know that so sure? He never fought a hard puncher beside Miranda (Eastman was shot, I don´t count him), guys like Demers, Gevor, etc. aren´t good fighters with power, so we must be careful when it comes to AA´s chin. I think it´s pretty good, but against a fighter like Taylor, I see him also going down. Miranda was dead? I noticed, that´s the new excuse for the Pavlik-haters...
I don't know why Abraham is so overrated on this forum, honestly, he just doesn't have the tools to beat Pavlik... He doesn't throw enough punches, he isn't tall enough, he isn't fast enough and his style is too one dimensional to try and outbox Pavlik, so naturally, he would either get knocked out badly(my prediction) or get beaten pillar to post again and maybe come away with a controversial decision... But this is ALL pointless speculation because there is NO WAY Abrahams german handlers put him in the ring with Pavlik.
Pavlik is all wrong for Abraham, but I think AA could beat him, but AA is too damn passive most of the time.
atsch I have a feeling that a lot of Euros are boosting up Abraham as a way to step on Pavlik's accomplishments and justify their claims that Pavlik is an "average" boxer. Abraham had his jaw broken by Miranda and went 12 rounds with him. Pavlik beat the **** out of Miranda, and then proceeded to KO Taylor, who is a league above any competition that Abraham has faced. It is clear to anybody who doesn't have a bias against Americans who the favorite should be.
The deductions were well deserved. Watch the fight. The whole thing about the non-stoppage is mute as well, because Abraham fought on and took the fight. He didn't quit. Could it have been stopped? Certainley. It wasn't though. Just like Taylor v Pavlik could of been stopped in the 2nd, it wasn't. All that matters in the end is the outcome, and Miranda didn't win, nor deserve to win that fight.
Not AA's problem that Miranda couldnt fight clean. AA's showed heart fighting with the worst broken jaw i have ever seen for a good chunk of the fight.He was badly injured and still managed to school Miranda.
You are right that Pavlik should be the favourit and he definately would be. And you are also right that some people overhype AA to say that Kelly is an one dimensional/average boxer. But guess what: Far more Americans are overhyping Pavlik as if he is god and don't even see competition for him at either 160 or 168 - just see the comparison...
Why does everybody allmost allways think that or boxer A ktfo boxer B or the reverse:huh I'd say this is a PICK 'M fight. They are both not technical boxers. With Abraham fighter more with his brains then Pavlik though. Close fight imo By the way same with floyd vs hatton. All this crap always how dlh was going to KILL floyd or how floyd would KILL dlh. Only fans who can't give an objective opinion say these things..:good viva ''too sharp'' !! peace