Adam Pollack's Dempsey Book?

For instance!!!!!! Lololol

 

no Fulton, Firpo and Gunboat were the Dempsey leftovers and his sparring partner Bill Tate.

Dempsey learned a lot against Johnson early in his career and the Jeannette offer was a publicity stunt that no manager should allow his fighter to go through with. This doesn’t exonerate Dempsey from not getting the Wills fight made, but it’s not as easy as everyone looking back in the year 2020 makes it out to seem. Country was not far removed from race riots of the Johnson era and while liberal cities such as New York May have clamored for the fight I’m sure promoters were wary of complications arising in other areas of the country.
Wills got screwed but I tend to believe he was slightly overrated and made to order for the Mauler

 

Like Dempsey said, he would body punch him down to his size.
Btw, Dempsey was better at landing power on big guys tall etc than anyone I ever saw. Dempsey in 3 at the most. Wills will hit the deck in 1st and may quit before the coup de grou (?) Is delivered.

 

Greb himself said after 6 Dempsey would kill him. I think he does it in 1. This isn't sparring.

 

A problem with a Dempsey debate is both sides have points, but neither is really willing to acknowledge the others.

Judged on what happened in the ring, there is pro and con as well for both sides.

Dempsey was an imperfect boxer with some iffy results in victory and defeat, but boy did he ever have a great promoter with the stuff fans like.

 

Ive said before, and I maintain, that if Wills was the easy mark Dempseys fans continue to think of him, and Dempsey the indomitable juggernaut, he would have raced to fight him. The fact that he actively ducked him, even after he disassociated himself with Kearns illustrates more than anything that he realized exactly what Wills’ record dictated: That Wills was the most qualified and most dangerous heavyweight challenger in sight. Hard to argue the contrary when you make a career out of fighting smaller, less qualified light heavyweights the best of which is admitted to be thought of as an easier mark than Wills when you signed the fight.

 

Show me where Greb said that. That quote dates from more than a decade after Greb was dead. While he was alive Greb chased Dempsey, signed to fight him more than once, and was met with silence while Dempsey fought men Greb dominated or scared into hiding. Its always comical how tough Dempsey appears in the minds of his worshippers while hes doing everything he can to avoid the two most worthy challengers of his ENTIRE reign.

 

How do we know Dempsey would of faced Harry if he felt Wills was an easy mark - after Lester Johnson, Dempsey never fought a fighter of color. Could it be more of a color issue of the time rather than concern of his ability to actually win? Dempsey stated that he felt Wills was slow footed in the Fulton fight, yes he decided to fight someone else, but it sounds like he saw and recognized holes in Wills game. I think Wills was the victim of Johnson’s reign more than anything and it took his shafting to get the media behind Louis a decade later to get his turn. Then it took Nazis to unite all of America behind Louis to really let equality take root in the division.

 

So ,in your opinion Dempsey was afraid to fight Wills, that this was the reason and not Wills being a black man?

 

In which fights did he struggle because of a lack of stamina?
Sharkey
Morris
Fulton
Willard
Pelkey
Brennan
Firpo
Were physically underwhelming?

Did they call him Jack the Giant Killer? Perhaps it was The Midget Killer?
I wonder what you would say if Dempsey had fought Greb?
I can imagine the stick you would give him for feasting on a middle weight.
Perhaps you and Klompton could pool your knowledge on Dempsey and co author?
Klompy coud provide the fight details and you could concentrate on the his white slaving ,pimping days?
Suggested title
A Real Objective & Unbiased Look At The Manassa Mauler.

 

Right on! Richard said after the Johnson-Jeffries melee that never again a mixed fight for HEAVYWEIGHT Championship. After Jess recaptured the title America was having nothing to do with it. It's all documented. Dempsey haters like these two just allow Jack to live rent free in their heads forever.

 

Dempsey had agreed to box a free exhibition for charity,at the last minute Jeannette was substituted. How many managers would allow their charge to walk into such an obvious ambush?

 

None. Dempsey was afraid of no one. He came from real fighting for yr life in the hobo jungles. 3 minute rds with a ref and gloves were a joke to him.

 

Dempsey reportedly received $100 and Johnson $200. It was the first "mixed" bout allowed since the ban had been lifted, according to the New York Sun.

" Opinions as to the winner were divided. Also, the weights mentioned varied from one newspaper to another.

The headline in the New York Sun read: Johnson Outpoints Dempsey and Local Boxer Has Easy Time Beating Salt Lake City Lad.

One New York newspaper gave this report in a one-inch story: "John Lester Johnson outpointed Jack Dempsey in the Harlem Sporting Club last night. Dempsey failed to live up to the reputation that he earned in Salt Lake City, and was an easy mark for the local boxer."

Another newspaper reported: "Neither boxer was ever in danger, but at the finish Johnson was very tired from the heavy punishment he received in the mid-section and around the head."

The New York World called the fight "a fast ten-round draw."

The New York Tribune reported: "John Lester Johnson won over Jack Dempsey."

The Salt lake Tribune reported: "Jack Dempsey, the Salt Lake heavyweight, who has been causing such a stir among New York fans since he left here recently, last night won by a big shade over John Lester Johnson, one of the toughest negro fighters in New York. "
imo . After sustaining 3 broken ribs Dempsey did well to grit his teeth and salvage a draw.

What in Johnson's subsequent record indicates there was anything to gain in rematching him?

Dempsey was so afraid of Johnson, he later hired him as a sparring partner.

Dempsey agreed to box a free exhibition for the War Drive,at the last minute Joe Jeannette was substituted as his opponent,any manager with a modicum of sense would veto his charge going into such an obvious ambush.