After Pacquaio, who will be the next fighter of the decade?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Anglosaxon, Oct 10, 2016.


  1. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    That's the dumbest sh@t I've heard! How do you know all this nonsense! You make this stuff up? You're the only poster on here saying such stupid things! Pacification agenda, That's a good one! Can I use that one sometime? I'm gonna keep you in mind, that way when I need a good laugh or feel like a genius, I'll spark up a conversation with you!
     
  2. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You mean KTFO of the decade. KO6 lying there like a dead fish.
     
  3. FuMaster

    FuMaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And Pac lost to the fighter of his generation. Fighter of the decade is like a silver medal. Nobody really cares but Pac can boast about it. Everyone knows who really has the gold though.
     
  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    You mean like how Floyd got that bronze medal at the Olympics?
     
  5. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Amateur gold or hundreds of millions of dollars as a pro? Hmm, I don't know man...I'll go out on a limb and say I'd take the millions! But I'm sure Floyd still has sleepless nights thinking about that gold that got away! And yes, Pac is an awesome fighter but, so is/was Mayweather! There I said it! I'm I going to get banned for liking Pac and May? What if I tell you guys that I think 3G is awesome too, along with Ward and kovalev! I've said too much! I must go now! If you guys never hear from me again because of the life time ban I'm sure to get.... just remember I love the sport of boxing and always will! Goodbye!
     
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  6. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    Sorry until you grasp the effects of PED's you will understand Floyd was peaking.

    He Avoided wars by not taking prime fighters, he got walloped by Maidana I accept that but no-one knew a C level fighter Khan easily dealt with would put on the hammering he did. No matter how you sugar coat it, Pac is in worse shape than Floyd because his body has been naturally wearing and tearing, anyone can see after the Hail Mary he was never the same, even after Margo he was never the same.

    I am tempted to end this on the note of Cotto fighting between 140-147 all the time when he fought Pac, or highlight how he fought at 146 against Clotterly right before Pac so not like he pulled a Ward and Margo was weight drained and mentally destroyed against Mosely not Pac.

    You are incredibly subjective even suggesting Vitali could beat the badly shot, unmotivated Lewis who took all he had and started to change the game from round 4 by landing massive shots of his own..... infact i could write a few pages discrediting all you have said but I want to grant audience to some others and don't have the time.

    OH I nearly forgot you discounting prime Hopkins who picked up his proper and best wins after Calzaghe mauled him in his own backyard while being a blown up, no-hand shot version of himself..... your bias is remarkable.
     
  7. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    I don't consider JMM fighter of his generation, he was a decent fighter but Tim Bradley beat him so easily and I believe the fighter of the decade is the fighter of that generation, prime for prime Pac beat everyone, even after his prime he only really lost to a Hail Mary.
     
  8. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    You are part of the malleable slave class designed to have your central nervous system stimulated with hero figures you identify with and can live vicariously through, cheering his victories, how he cheats the system, how he is praised as these are all glories you have design for but keeps you in hope it can be done. The Romans were very effective at ruling the slave class like this and often used the ''games'' as a way to pacify the unruly, to make them effective workers and good obedient citizens. The hero cult status is an ancient pacifier to distract from the problems of the world, to keep you from questioning your masters designs for you and to give you hope and a sedated form of happiness.

    I am sure you are fully vaccinated by your luciferian cult masquerading as your protectors and carers, I am sure you are ready to vote for Hilary and keep the masters playing their games.
     
  9. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    Rubbish aside from Fury, Wlad was looking unbeatable, Vitali too. JMM has looked better than ever at 40 just to name a few.
    After Hatton? how could he show regression against Guerrero, Ortiz, Berto, and all the bums he was facing? even Hatton was a bum at 147 who really lost his last fight, he was given it to serve him to Mayweather.
    His speed/reflexes hadn't changed, Maidana had his number and just beat the hell out of him, the rematch he was just smarter and Maidana is 1 dimensional, but he still laboured.

    Why get off the ''nonsense''? I not only showed when it happened, but I gave reasoning... you don't think it suits all TV network agendas? you think they aren't all tied in? you think the US networks don't reward the smaller networks around the world with money/fight coverage etc etc. What is interesting is the amount of casual fans which believe Pacquaio won, the ones not conditioned to seeing how Mayweather ''wins'' and accepts this as effective when it isn't real boxing.

    Yes I can see why you want me to drop this.....nothing to see here folks, just Mayweather pawing his way to a 12 round decision while using illegal IV drips, hiring a steroid trafficker, denying legal pain killers while taking illegal ones....move along folks.
     
  10. southpaw123

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    Did you not read the disclaimer I put in there? Clearly stated those aren't my opinions, just examples of how you can twist a good victory into something less than spectacular.

    And I know plenty about peds and how they work, at least anabolic ones. Not too educated on things such as epo, aside from the increase in red blood cell count it provides.

    IF Floyd did steroids id be interested in hearing what you think he did and how. Given his age and fighting twice a year his options are limited for steroid cycles.

    1)At the very least he would need to have some sort of test base, likely a shorter ester to reduce bloat as much as possible. Even with this and proper estrogen control, his weight would fluctuate dramatically enough to raise plenty of eyebrows. Maybe to maintain more of a dry composition and consistent weight he could introduce an oral, but good luck with joint pain and running several miles with that. Even if he somehow overcame all those issues, the recovery period for a 35+ year old to return to natural test levels would be well over a 4 week typical pct assuming a cycle of 12 weeks +. Given his tendency to always be in the gym and training, I find it hard to believe that he would be able to train at a near elite level with basically no test production. This is why 2 and 3 are more likely IF he did steroids.

    2) he runs short cycles, 8 weeks max, which may not totally shut his production of test down completely allowing for an easier recovery and quicker return to his workout/training regimen.

    3) he simply blasts and cruises, completely forgoing any need for pct. This looks good on paper, but getting shots 2 times a week, assuming he uses longer esters, would almost certainly be noticed by someone.
     
  11. southpaw123

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    So you're saying after haye, wlad improved? That's a bit of a reach. Additionally hws have the ability to stick around longer and maintain competitiveness. It's a slower style of fighting allowing for reflexes to react to things that happen within the ring.

    In the 3 jmm fights with PAC that didn't end in ko, which one was he most competitive in? I would say their first fight. He was shocked by his power and or speed in the beginning but adjusted nicely and had some amazing moments. He looked awful against PAC the fourth time and against Bradley.

    Ortiz he was flat footed, Guerrero he was slower than usual to the punch, and Berto... come on. If you think the mayweather that koed Hatton wouldn't brutalize that version of berto then I can't help you.
     
  12. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    I am going to jump on to the steroid section, because I firmly believe he has been abusing PED's for years ( No I don't think mayweather would brutalise Berto, Hatton looked horrible at 147 and he actually looked ok against Mayweather till Cortez got in his head)

    Short cycles will still shut your testosterone production down, and unless you are young, you have very little to restart it, so 2 would not be possible, your body can only receive to signals of testosterone, the synthetic overpowers the natural. I want to rule that one out now. I would suspect he actually uses HCG and a lot of PCT doesn't stay in the system long, plus diuretics are very effective at hiding PED/PCT hence the IV drips.

    The way it is set up is that he announces fights late, infact Victor Conte described how this benefits Floyd in that steroid users feel the biggest benefits post cycle rather than during, the time he announces his fights and his agreement with USADA ( who costs 120k compared to VADA that costs 20k USADA being non-profit?)....infact I ws going to type it to the best of my recollection but there is so much, and it is far easier for you to investigate in this thread which highlights literally everything, from Conte explaining to the shocking finds and exclusions Mayweather has been granted:

    http://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/can-you-trust-usada-may-sada.574745/page-3
     
  13. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    – Al Haymon exclusively uses USADA for all of his drug testing. USADA does not report full test results to state governing athletic committees. They also do not employee carbon isotope testing, which is the most effective drug test.

    – Mayweather uses contracts that allow for therapeutic use exemptions (TUE) to be retroactively granted after someone tests positive for a prohibited drug. What’s the point of even having testing if you can just get a waiver for it after you fail a test? Mayweather gave Pacquiao a contract that included this clause.

    – Mayweather was rumored to have failed drug tests for three consecutive fights but was granted retroactive TUEs by USADA.

    – Mayweather’s people agreed to settle a defamation suit with Pacquiao quickly — and for more money than expected — as soon as Pacquiao’s side began demanding documents regarding Mayweather’s drug tests through USADA and the NSAC.

    – Mayweather had abnormally low T/E (testosterone) ratios prior to the Robert Guerrero and Victor Ortiz fights. Low T/E ratios could indicate tampering/efforts to lower your ratio to cover up testosterone use.

    – USADA regularly does not submit information to the Nevada State Athletic Commission. For instance, the NSAC would not allow Pacquiao to receive a Toradol pain-killing injection prior to their May fight, but Floyd was granted a retroactive TUE that was applied for and granted two weeks after the fight.

    – USADA saw Mayweather using an illegal IV a day before his fight with Pacquiao but did not notify the athletic commission about it until weeks after the fight. The IV could be used to dilute the blood and cover up PED use.

    As we have learned many times in the past, the more guilty the party, the more vigorous the defense. Why has Mayweather been so outspoken about PEDs and accusing Pacquiao? Perhaps because he had something to hide. After all, remember Pacquiao said Mayweather was only using the drug testing talk as an alibi not to fight him. And maybe this is why Mayweather refused to sign a waiver that would have paid Pacquiao $5 million for a failed drug test.


    This was from my post, and what I want to highlight is, Bob Arum is savvy, he is too experienced to allow the TUE in a contract yet he did, ask yourself why? Mayweather and him are working in cohesion, I suspect they already agreed a 2nd fight to make more money and it was set up for Mayweather to win, now maybe Arum is wondering if Mayweather will hold up to hsi word, Pacquaio bless him is probably oblivious to all of this and doesn't see Arums part in this.
     
  14. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    I also suspect HGH as this will allow the receptors to be amplified, healing abilities and his youthful performance levels while also helping his post cycle.

    It is possible PCT was forgone barring a few shots of HCG which is in and out of the system quickly, then during testing periods nothing, and post fight the PCT begins, the IV drips come out etc etc.

    Either way I am positive he has used PED's, he didn't handle his weight against JMM, he shred bodyfat but came back with more mass and defined in that fight, he isn't a bodybuilder so it would be subtle changes but to a trained eye you can see it. He has the best medical experts etc in the world to help him after that and things have been back to normal.

    I also feel he looked great against Canelo again based on the fighter not him, throw Maidana in Canelos place and he would be savaged the same way.
     
  15. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    Seems the media puppet has come out to placate the masses, instructing them to fall in line, keep the status quo, his handlers will be very happy for you to listen to his words:

    “It’s not right what is going on in this world on both sides,” Mayweather said. “What I learned from boxing and what everyone can take in real life is to follow directions, follow order. Don’t give nobody a hard time.”

    That's right people, don't question, don't research, just follow order, follow your hero status sportsman who made a living through a trauma based sport designed to hurt another person.