After Pacquaio, who will be the next fighter of the decade?

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  1. southpaw123

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    2 suggested a pct as well, just not one that would require 2 months of recovery. If you don't cruise and blast as an athlete and cycle instead, pct is always needed. The extent of which is determined by length and amount of compounds used.

    Time will ultimately reveal the truth on the subject. There are far too many people involved with mayweather for a cat like this not to be let out of the bag.

    Mayweather at any point during, before, or shortly after 2008 would make berto look even worse than he actually is.
     
  2. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    I don't agree with Berto, not because Berto is such a great fighter more what I said before, I have little belief in Mayweathers offence.

    The people involved are also very well paid and happy with this, they also know this can be done again and will be, the money outweighs the morality of this. Look at Holyfield, Toney, Jones Jr, etc it always gets forgotten and fighters are wealthier than ever now, corporations have greater agendas. We can only hope Russia hacks USADA.
     
  3. southpaw123

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    you do realize even with a "proper" pct the 4-6 week recovery period is when you feel the worst right? Now amplify that feeling by only running hcg and you have a very sluggish and ineffective fighter. Timing if he cycled would mostly likely be between fights with pct being complete as he was entering camp. Camp would be used to maintain as much cinditioning as possible and shed a few lbs. Again, given his age, doing this twice a year seems unlikely. Abnormally low test levels can be explained by age and several other factors such as the timing of when the blood sample was taken since test levels fluctuate. Is it possible that a guy who is at the age where test is diminishing has a low baseline and blood samples were taken during a low point? Of course it is but that would never fit your agenda so why even consider it right?
     
  4. southpaw123

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    So usada would take that risk because of potential future income from athletes in a sport with deiminishing popularity? From a business standpoint this makes zero sense. You don't stick you neck out to that extent for a very minuscule source of revenue.
     
  5. Anglosaxon

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    Victor Conte says completely different, I would wager that where he has got to on the basis of helping the worlds best athletes qualify him over you or I in what works and how:

    “The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months,” Conte continues. “Anybody who knows anything about the way these drugs work knows that you don’t perform at your best when you’re actually on the drugs. You get maximum benefit after the use stops.
     
  6. Anglosaxon

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    Name the biggest boxing stars to casuals over the years.... Mike Tyson, Roy Jones Jnr, ODLH, Mayweather, Calzaghe, HopkinsPacquaio and to a lesser extend JMM.
    How many of those are steroid users? we can discount Pacquaio, Calzaghe I am not familiar with Tyson having any controversy or ODLH.... who made the most money and has set a blue print?

    The sport is making more money in the last 10yrs than it has ever, it's dipped recently but it's alive and it will rise again.
     
  7. Bad News Brit

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    It shows how effective USADA is when they didn't catch John Molina in any of their tests yet a chip shop local commission did after his PBC debut
     
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  8. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    Wonderful point.

    On a side note Drweirdo seems to have left here after I threatened to expose his image, I am pleased he learned his lesson.
     
  9. southpaw123

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    You suggested mayweather is taking some form of test. What I say next only refers to test, nothing else. If you are honestly going to say or believe that someone would perform better while they're test levels aren't through the ruff then there really is no helping you. Now, other peds may work that way, but I already admitted my ignorance in that subject matter. When jones got popped, where were his levels?

    Go to anyone in your gym using steroids or even better, look online and see testimonies of ppl experiencing strength and stamina loss 2 weeks after use haults. The quote you provided is fragmented, "these drugs" can't refer to the peds we have mentioned, it's biologically impossible. If you want to go down that road we can, but if all you have is a vague quote which is chopped things won't go well. There are at least a handful of studies which suggest and show that high test levels lead to improved performance. Please provide a few studies which show the contrary and I'll be more than happy to agree with you.
     
  10. Bad News Brit

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    Another bit of USADA/ Haymon/ Mayweather corruption

    - Eddie Hearn wanted drug testing for Brook's title fight with Porter a couple of years back. Haymon then moved the date to 5 weeks away with some BS excuse about TV dates.
    - USADA then said they needed a minimum of 6 weeks to do testing.
    - Mayweather a year later announces he will be fighting Berto in 5 weeks time.
    - USADA do the testing for it.
     
  11. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    where did I say Test? I said Ped's all along, I dont doubt he is on test too however. I did however point out he had abnormally low levels of test for just 2 fights. In these fights he was more muscular than his younger days, he was ripped and moving great, again low levels with age is one thing, but abnormally low for a guy who kept his muscle mass, conditioning and performance raises suspicion. I am not suggesting high test doesn't improve performance, but there is an issue clearly with Floyd and a lot going on, this much is certain especially when he has exemption to forgo sample B results which will always indicate a clear result.

    Here is the full transcript, i picked that snippet purely to contradict what you said, here is all of it and a very interesting read.
    http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

    People on forums give the worst account of steroids, psychologically they get damaged coming off and seek to jump back off them, the effects are a placebo more from not physically putting something in their body rather than the actual loss of steroid itself. You find the worst advice, usually someone who has done a few cycles who think they know it all cos they were directed by their steroid supplier who tells a few new users who gain a following and then you have an expert.
    At this level, elite athlete millionaire level then we are talking the best of the best giving advice, hiding things and producing the best results.
     
  12. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    yes this 5 week period is fascinating, USADA is BS, VADA test for 20k, these guys 120k and are non profit, so where does it all go? there is 100k unaccounted for right off the bat, TUE's handed out like lollies and bias against certain fighters right down to them saying they would inform the Nevada commission for Pacquaios LEGAL pain killer and then claiming ''we forgot''.
     
  13. Bad News Brit

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    Good video on Mayweather's scandals from unbiased sources:

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  14. Bad News Brit

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    Yeah, USADA tests are more expensive, yet VADA's cost a lot more to carry out.
     
  15. Anglosaxon

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    It's the amount of IV Saline/vits used too lol, like it took the **** pardon the pun. Watching this now.