AJ Announcement

Wilder an ATG….Jesus Christ.

 

"I judge a resume on the wins not the losses."

Was Darnell Boone a world class fighter? He beat Monroe Jr. on points and KO'd the great Adonis Stevenson in two rounds after all.

"AJ has a better body of wins by a distance."

AJ opponents Breazeale and a washed up Molina were two of Wilder's weakest defences, Martin was green and crap, Carlito Takam got sparked by Chisora the fight after, Joey twelve Parker KO's no one of note (not even Cojanu) and is utterly toothless, Rice Pudding Jr. laboured to decisions against well past prime versions of Liakhovich, Kevin and Arreola and pudding Pulev was 13 months inactive and not looking good against the likes of Bogdan Dinu and Rydell Booker in his previous fights. None of these puddings could be described as prolific punchers, so they posed very little danger fighting in A-side AJ's backyard. This was backed up by the odds: the bookies knew the score and weren't going to allow the more cynical among us to make money out of it. Even "dropped by Pricey in his last fight" Povetkin was something like an 8/1 underdog and he was AJ's 2nd best opponent pre-Usyk. Yet AJ still managed to lose to one of them and to lose pretty much as badly as you possibly can. Your losses define you as much and in some cases more than your best wins.

 

Many believe he's the biggest puncher in boxing history and the stats support it, so "ATG KO artist" isn't hyperbole. There is a solid case for Wilder being an ATG full stop but that wasn't the claim I was making in that paragraph.

 

I had Wilder winning by one round in the first fight although many of the rounds were close with not much action. Prefer a man coming forward and he did have the knockdowns.

Was the only one on the thread who scored it to Wilder and owning up.

 

I know. That is incredibly poor form on your part. Wilder was out landed in all but 3 rounds.

I never score the man coming forward when he is not landing anything. That's not ring generalship. Similar to Paint Dry when he couldn't put a glove on H. Fury. H. Fury won that bout, too. It doesn't matter if his punches were pitty patty. The man who lands more punches, if neither land anything significant, gets the round.

Saying that, if that useless fob Davison wasn't in the corner and Fury had Roach, who insisted Fury had the beating of Wilder by being aggressive, then I reckon he would've beaten Wilder more convincingly.

 

Excellent post.

These are the facts.

 

I found Fury very boring until he got planted heavily on the canvas and got up to finish the fight strongly.

Since changing trainers away from the boring Peter Fury and Davison, he has been a very good watch and this version would have planted old Wlad as well as Wilder in the first fight.

 

Fury did have a bit of a boring style under who you refer to as the Tony Pulis of boxing trainers. Fury's style has changed many times and before the second Chisora fight he was a bit of a brawler (aside from Kevin Johnson snoozefest).

Peter Fury is incredibly overrated. People talk about credentials but what are his credentials? He was (and allegedly still is) a man who was known for distributing....things.

 

If the fight was to be in February the contract would have been signed in 2021.
He's had 6 months to sign a contract. The Russian invasion was just over 3 weeks ago.
Do you think that his "overseas bulking" had anything to do with that?

 

And here Brixton Bomber was tapping himself on the back for what he thought was an uncharacteristically clever, quick-witted retort.

 

He was still fighting the likes of Jason gavern whilst being 30odd fights into his career.
Seems as though this thread is primarily about Joshua though I will point out he has had 26fights so far so you can go on about resumes and You can use whatever KO% stats you like but the fact is Wilder has constantly faced poor opposition throughout his career, and when he hasn’t he has lost convincingly.

 

Dunno mate, I'm not his keeper.

 

Stop smoking crack

 

Like mitch, you ignore all context.

AJ started boxing at 18 and was an amateur for 6 years before turning pro at 24.

Wilder started boxing at 20 and was an amateur for 3 years before turning pro at 23.

If you start boxing earlier, are an amateur for a longer duration and turn pro when older, you can be moved more quickly.

Wilder fought club fighters for the first 1.5 years, then club fighters mixed with domestic level fighters for the next 2.5 years, domestic to fringe Euro level fighters for the next 2 years, Euro to fringe world level fighters for the next 3 years and elite level fighters since March 2018.

I don't have hard definitions for "club fighters", "domestic level", "Euro/Euro-equivalent" etc. but it's a lot more accurate or at least descriptive than pretending that Wilder has fought Fury and 40-odd bums aside from that. In truth, the bulk of AJ's title defence opponents were no more dangerous than the bulk of Wilder's, yet AJ managed to get knocked down 4 times and quit against one. All of the talk about "top 10 fighters" was smoke and mirrors to obscure the fact that Martin, Breazeale, Molina, Takam, Parker, Ruiz and Pulev were virtual no-hopers, no better than Stiverne, Breazeale, Molina, Arreola, Szpilka, Duhaupas and Washington. Wilder did not have the financial or institutional backing that AJ did, so AJ was always going to be first choice for fighters looking to maximise their bank balance, plus all promoters like to keep fights in house.

Wilder having 9 very low level fights before Morales, 16 low-mid level fights before Kelvin Price, 7 mid level fights before Stiverne and a further 7 mid-high level fights before Ortiz meant that he was well seasoned while making his way up, sparring extensively with the likes of Wlad, Haye, Thompson and Adamek. He was able to gradually build his skills, confidence, killer instinct, fear factor and experience. Hearn took the opposite approach with AJ because rushing a fighter to world level allows you to start heavily milking the cash cow sooner but it also increases the risk of a career-destroying upset, as we saw with Rice Pudding Jr.

Earnie Shavers is regarded by many as an "ATG KO artist", yet he got beaten and KO'd by some awful fighters and failed to KO a fair few that he beat, some of whom weren't even hard-chinned. Wilder's KO record is vastly more impressive than Shavers' and you can see by the way that Wilder sparks his opponents relative to other fighters that his power is spectacular. His power along with many other positive attributes that he possesses makes him extremely dangerous for pretty much any fighter.

 

I scored it 114-112 to Fury. Didn’t think it was as wide as people made out. Gave Wilder rounds 2, 4 and obviously the two 10-8’s in rounds 9 and 12. Like you say though a lot of the rounds were close so I don’t think a draw was a horrendous decision.