AJ v Ngannou

Finally you are admitting Joshua is simply a prizefighter - we knew that from day 1 with his matchmaking.

 

You're forgetting AJ has beaten better opposition than either Wilder or Fury.

 

I am splitting my sides with laughter when you are stating that Joshua is elite. Just watch below and inform me where any elite traits are:

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Name 1 fighter that Joshua has beat that is better than what is on Tyson Fury's record.

 

Zhang would pummel Washed Up Wilder, Whyte, Chisora and Joshua on the same evening.

Then Bosh and Babic on the way back to his dressing room.

 

Doesn't Zhang come under the old man banner like Wlad and Povetkin?

I rate Zhang but if any of Fury and Joshua had signed to fight him pre the Joyce fights they'd have been slated

 

Chinese eggs and activity making him dangerous.

 

Your point is valid - all these late thirties fighters sums up how bad the era is.

 

If a post-Wilder 1 day notice Duhaupas is a barometer then Povetkin went 10 round distance with Firtha and didn't hurt him. Wilder dropped Firtha in 1 and KO'd him in 4.

Wilder's best win would have beaten Povetkin's, whether that's Whyte or Huck. Povetkin's team avoided Ortiz by their own admission.

Hearn regarded Whyte, Pulev and even Povetkin as "the easy stuff" and Wilder as very dangerous, a fight they wanted to "marinate" a la May-Pac.

You asserted in 2021 that 2016 Martin was better than 2017 Takam. Even at 42+ with 2 KO defeats, Ortiz demolished Martin. Ortiz also outboxed and stopped Jennings, who you had at No.9 in 2018, above Chisora and Takam. And you even regarded Hammer as a "notable win", who Ortiz schooled. Takam ducked out of the Ortiz fight that he signed for to fight Duhaupas instead and didn't end up fighting him either. Chisora also said "I'm never fighting Ortiz, hard night at the office".

The only Joshua opponents who were as big as Joshua of any note are Breazeale, 41 Wlad and 39 Helenius. Breazeale and Helenius took him 7 rounds (Wilder KO'd both in 1), Helenius busted Joshua up and Wlad took him life and death over 11. AJ's lost to smaller men because he's fought a lot more of them.

 

Didn't you also claim that Alen "the savage" Babic would walk down and batter Wilder?

 

Joshua has some elite attributes. Compare Vitali looking like a fool against Kevin Johnson to what Joshua did to him. And Kevin proved he had a lot left in the tank given that Hrgovic, Dubois, Ruiz etc. couldn't take him out years later.

Wilder had elite heart in addition to his power, plus elite speed with the right hand and freakish dimensions.

Ruiz has elite handspeed, plus he might have been be the easiest guy to underestimate ever, and the most humiliating to lose to. He seems to have elite composure and excellent fighting instincts.

Chisora has elite heart.

Ngannou has incredible strength, may have elite chin and power. Used to be easy to underestimate, still very humiliating if you lose or look bad. Major psychological pressure is an intangible elite attribute and it comes in different forms.

Joyce had an elite chin and engine but no defence and he's done now. Hrgovic seems to have an elite chin, though he's a top 5 guy. Zhang has some elite attributes but again, top 5.

Povetkin comes the closest out of the guys with non-elite attributes. His win over Whyte at 40+ was a historic win for that age bracket, especially given the full context of that fight.

 

I'm against Mitch's narratives but I don't think Fury's Whyte was as good as Joshua's. Fury's Whyte was technically better but Joshua's Whyte had more punch resistance and a lot more fire and self-belief. All of the wars and money lessened Whyte as a fighter.

 

Povetkins best wins in Whyte and Byrd are much better and much more proven than Wilders best win against Ortiz (who beat no one of note and went life and death with Charles Martin of all people).

Povetkin and Whyte's record far better and more proven than Wilder. Pulev has a better record than Wilder best opponent in Ortiz.

Helenius busted AJ up? What planet are you on? AJ won every round before KOing him.

As for beating people his height, name one person as good as Wallin that Wilder has beaten nevermind Wlad.

 

Parker is a nobody. He's better than Martin (fellow paper titlist) or Danny Williams (KO'd Tyson in 4) but who cares.

You gave Fury no credit for beating Wilder at the time, you were insistent that the official result was what counted. Being slimy you have since moved the goalposts.

Joshua-Wilder was the megafight of the era which Hearn and Finkel blundered and now both have three losses to show for it, both out of the championship picture.

Chisora's fought more quality than Joshua. Fury and Usyk have better records from a results perspective. You can't be 0-2 against Usyk and 1-1 with Ruiz but have the best record among the field.

 

I like your posts as you know your boxing and apply context.