Ali (1 thru 61; Hunsaker thru Berbick)

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    These are good calls. He looked quite bad in both. His two worst perfomances before the loss to Norton I'd say.
     
  2. Jorodz

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    bonavena was possibly the WORST opponent for him at that time
     
  3. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jordo,,,,

    Those Louisville Businessmen who managed Cassius Clay didn't get to be rich
    before Cassius Clay, by inheriting that 'dough'

    They were an extremely smart group, who parlayed their investment.

    Do you really think he could predict the Rounds he would take somebody, and do it.

    'The public will believe anything if you tell them,,,,,,,their like sheep'
    Bill Faversham,,,,,,,,Cassius Clay's business manager.
     
  4. Jorodz

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    interesting perspective and i never really thought about how ludicrous the notion was. however, there were times like bonavena and sonny banks, where it backfired on him. even the cooper fight backfired on him. but the earlier fights, when they were building up his public image resembles tyson's rise to the top more and more
     
  5. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Lousville Group had him up thru the Liston bouts.

    I do believe the Alejandro Lavorante fight was on the up-n-up.

    Also, 'old man river' Archie Moore. A bout that should have never been sanctioned.
    That bout was a pay-off for Archie. He made some good money on that fight,
    thanks to Cassius Clay.

    The Charlie Powell fight,,,,,,,,,something wasn't right about that one.
    Powell was pulling his right hand punches.
     
  6. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not sure where to put Antoni Anoki,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Just imagine what people would say about Rocky Marciano,,,,,,,,,if he pulled that SH*T.
     
  7. heehoo

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    Ali vs. Holmes is by far THE WORST performance of Ali's career.
     
  8. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    More of Larry Holmes being so 'far superior' to Ali, than anything else.

    Trevor Berbick was told to carry Ali and not hurt him, and make it look good.
    Berbick could have knocked him out if he wanted to.

    Of course, the public got fooled again.
     
  9. Jorodz

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    :lol:it's sad that many in japan (and possibly inoki himself) have claimed that those "stellar" leg kicks were responsible for the decrease in ali's mobility in his latter career
     
  10. Il Duce

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    Mr. Joro,

    More money,,,,,,,,,,,,,The Japan Yen,,,,,,,,,,,

    Quite possibly the worst entertainment broadcast of any sporting event.
    A 'hoax' perpetrated on the public.

    A complete 'fix',,,,,,,,Antoni Inoki a Hero in Japan, was not going to lose the
    fight/crab-crawling contest.
    This was a 'Draw' from the get-go.

    Muhammad Ali was still scamming,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Next up,,,,,,,,,,,Bruce Lee
     
  11. Jorodz

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    bang on. inoki was a reasonable grappler but the fight was done from the start. inoki wouldn't budge on gloves, ali wouldn't budge on the rules and parameters. from every report i've read, they did agree from the beginning to take it easy on each with the rules favouring a boring, indecisive decision.
     
  12. Il Duce

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    Their may be a 'tie' in the worst entertainment broadcast of a sporting event.

    Evel Knievel,,,,,Snake River Canyon Jump

    I'd rather watch re-runs of 'I Dream of Jeannie',,,,,,,,now thats fun!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, they are real and are 'spectacular'.
     
  13. Jorodz

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    :lol::lol:i'll take your word for it
     
  14. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The 'Big' Tony Esperti fight was completely fixed,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    The guy hadn't fought in 6-years.
    31 year-old, puffed up Light Heavyweight, from the Bronx, NY.
    6' 3" and 195 lbs.
    Though 9-6-2 (5 KO's)
    Lost his last 4-bouts (1953 thru 1955)

    He was now living in Miami, Florida,,,,,,,as muscle for the loan-sharks.

    Cassius Clay was hitting him, but not doing any damage what-so-ever.
    The Referee Mike Kaplan stopped the fight.
    Cries of 'fix' and 'fake' were yelled by the fight watchers.
     
  15. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This has been common knowledge for years. What do you think 99.999999% of fighters are in the game for? Glory? Money talks and he was getting more money for this than at any other time in his career.

    With respect, you obviously have a bee in your bonnet about Ali because everytime you post regarding him, more often than not its to perpetuate some myth, or to have a dig at him in some shape or form. He cant do right for doing wrong. In fairness to you, you do throw in the odd positive post regarding him,but that gets outweighed by the next fix/didnt win/Faversham was behind it etc etc