The same Williams that had a glass chin?? I think one good right hand, and Marciano would have knock Williams out, pretty much how Rocky took Rex Layne out.
The hell? Getting parked by Liston doesn't really suggest or determine a mother-ducker has a glass chin..... Liston landed some thunderous shots upside Williams' head in BOTH fights of 1959 and '60...... Not many dudes at the time could've taken them punches and remained intact with their senses...... :bbb MR.BILL:think
The different in these matchups was that Ali was much larger than Marciano while LaMotta was shorter but much heavier than Robinson. I understand the points made about Rocky's toughness but Frazier did fight much bigger men. Let's keep it in mind.
Grant, I'll swear to God and sonny Jesus that '70 Frazier would chase a '52 Marciano right outta the ring before 15 rds was up........... Due to styles, their is NO WAY that this fight would go the 15 rd. distance.... NO WAY!!:thumbsup
Good Lord! You are SERIOUSLY underestimating Marciano...in my opinion. Have you ever seen the man fight? Nobody who ever lived is chasing him out of any boxing ring! He would be a hard fight for ANY of them!
Or Ali could get a broken Jaw like he did in the fight with Norton or hurt late in the fight like he did in the 11th vs Frazier and dropped in the 15th or Rocked and dropped like he was against Cooper, only Marciano was a better finisher and had 2 handed Power....Speculation is nice as long as you know it is just that.
Marciano NEVER fought a dude the caliber or as aggressive of a Joeseph Frazier....... I'm sorry, but Frazier would've eaten up everybody that Marciano ever fought, if pitted against the same versions that Rocco faced throughout his career..... Louis of '51 and Walcott of '52 were still very good and all, but no way they beat a '70 Frazier at that stage.......... That's all I'm saying..... SO! Yes, I can keep a straight face by saying '70 Frazier chases '52 Marciano right outta the ring....... Frazier being roughly the same height, yet nearly 20 solid pounds heavier and full of **** and vinegar, stops Marciano's attack and kicks some real ass in the ring..... :nono MR.BILL:bbb P.S. I understand Rocky Marciano was great for what he did against the guys he fought, but the man would be in deep **** against many of these post '60 heavies.......... People gotta stop riding his nutsack like he was Superman....... hat
Yes, Ali had some trouble with Chuvalo, but less than Marciano had with an old Ezzard Charles. Yes, Frazier was a fiercly tough opponent for a post-prime Ali, but Walcott and Moore gave Rocky trouble when they were close to 40. But I don't think Marciano would have been an easy opponent for Ali at any point. Tough, entertaining fight.
I dont think old Archie gave Marciano that much trouble. It was a pretty one sided beating. Some one must of forgot when Ali walk in the ring and had his way with Williams. Williams was not one of the best chin fighters.
I actually sat directly behind Muhammad Ali during the showing of this fight on the big screen in the old Stanley Theater in Philadelphia, chatted with him throughout the show...most of the talk was initiated by him. All I did was say "Hi, Champ" at the beginning. He mostly carried it from there. He kept turning and making comments to me and the guy sitting next to me. He was a riot! Nice guy! Very friendly! Fun talking with him! Great memory! :good
Frazier might have been heavier than Marciano but I don't think that he was physicaly stronger and I don't think that he hit harder or had a better chin. He was faster and perhaps better suited to fighting Ali stylisticaly. I think that Marciano's era had more quality heavyweights than the early 60s during Ali's title reign before he was stripped. I also think that there was more depth than when Sonny Liston was coming up through the ranks.