Ali or Louis ?

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The Greatest Heavyweight Of All Time?

  1. Ali

    70.0%
  2. Louis

    30.0%
  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Ali is the greatest.
     
  2. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Beheadeth this man for his blasphemy!
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Good thing we have Mike Tyson who was morally perfect and upright!
     
  4. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I agree. He followed the legal process. I don't even recall seeing Ali burning his draft card. They must have saved that one for PPV.
     
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    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    And these were his good traits.
    Joe would have been a helluva guy to party with.
     
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  6. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I forgot who it was, probably someone from ESPN, who said Louis was the greatest heavyweight champion of all time and that Ali was the greatest heavyweight of all time. Interesting little quote there, but I don't quite agree.

    Depends on the day and the amount of good coffee for me but the last few years I've been placing Louis #1. To be champion for so many years and with an incredible amount of title defenses is extraordinary, especially at the heavyweight level where weight goes unlimited. Louis fought so many different styles and was so dominant doing so. And his dominance in rematches was incredible.

    Ali has the bigger names like Liston, Frazier and Foreman. Damn, this is actually getting more difficult to explain why I pick Louis by the slightest of margins.
     
  7. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Have you ever read the Talmud? Or even the Kabbalah? Interesting stuff there in...
     
  8. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Just a simple comment. The U. S. Supreme Court, which is the last and most important word on legal matters in the United States, ruled that Clay and/or Ali, whichever we choose to call him, was not a draft dodger. That should be the end of the discussion about draft dodging.
     
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  9. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I actually have Holmes very very tightly at 3. No space on my list lol
     
  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Louis has a great resume.

    Primo Carnera
    Max Baer
    Jack Sharkey
    James J Braddock
    Tommy Farr
    Max Schmeling
    John Henry Lewis
    Abe Simon
    Buddy Baer
    Billy Conn
    Jersey Joe Walcott

    And then
    Paulino Uzcudun
    Bob Pastor
    Tony Galento
    Lou Nova
    Lee Salvold
    Jimmy Bivins
    etc.
     
  11. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Me too, though I think Louis would have kayo'd him in the middle rounds and Ali unanimously outpointed. That said, I think the Holmes who beat Ali would have beaten any of the other men on the top 10 besides those two. So, a snug #3.

    Ali won the title three times (granted, he wasn't the same after TiM), was the fastest ever in the 60s, and had a huge heart. I put Louis second because I think Ali would have worn him down and possibly tko'd him in the later rounds.

    They both had huge hearts and terrific skill at their peaks (I'd put Ali's prime beginning at Liston I, Louis' when he beat Max Schmeling).
     
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    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Curious whom the other two are?
     
  13. mcvey

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    I judge a fighter by his abilities in the ring,not his actions outside it.
    Tyson was an arsehole both inside and outside the ring, but H2H he beats more champs than beat him.
     
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    I think both Dempsey and Johnson beat him H2H.But his reign was much more meritorious than eithers.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    Ali's top end pips it for me but i have no ill faith with anyone picking Louis. Lennox Lewis a distant third.
     
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