Ali vs Wlad/Lewis/Vitali... how does he win?

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  1. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yup. In boxing, you don't have to look like a bodybuilder to be considered in good shape but some of todays heavys are just cheating themselves by coming in fat.
     
  2. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's a damn shame too, fighters like Chambers, Peter, even James Toney could of done so much better if they lost some weight. Not only are they cheating the sport and their fans that support them through thick and thin, but their cheating themselve.

    On that note I better get some sleep, have fun fending off the likes of Farmboxer. The guy thinks about Wlad more than Wlad's own mother. Maybe Wlad and Vitali should have to ask Farmboxers permission before they fight each other in the ring.:yep
     
  3. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not even gonna bother with Farmboxer.
     
  4. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali would have Wlad look silly.
     
  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    :lol: at this thread and the people actually proposing Wladimir would even win 1 fight if he fought Ali 1 million times.
     
  6. TheGreat

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    67 Ali by UD in 3 fights.
     
  7. tysonlewisbook

    tysonlewisbook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There is no hwt from history, ALi '67 included that could beat Wladimir Klitschko the way he is right now. This is the ultimate dominant HWT wrecking machine. Ali would be physically forced to fight Klitschko's fight which is a constant forward pressure based upon masterful footwork which gains positioning for a ruthless accurate jab and the nuclear right hand. There is nothing ALi has to ward off Klitschko, nothing to discourage or bother him from his simple and obvious plan. It would be Klitschko systematically pounding on ALi who would try single punches but would not be able to reach the target. A few slaps might reach but would have no effect. ANy attempts to throw combinations at Klitschko would result in Klitschko jab knocking him backwards and off balance. Then the right hand would land and Ali would be like, What the ****. By about round three Ali would go into survival mode. Ali just does not have the size, strength to deal with fighting a gigantic perfectly coordinated machine like Klitschko. Klitschko would win decisively, in what would look like an unfair fight. There is no question about this. However Ali at 6-7 250 pounds would change everything and make it a much more interesting and fair fight.
     
  8. Jimbob

    Jimbob Active Member Full Member

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    I'm sorry but this does not apply to todays abismal heavyweight division. The main reason why todays heavyweight are generally bigger than those in Ali's era is because they are fat. If they were actually in shape then i'm sure their body weights would be fairly comparable to the fighters of the 70's. Even Chagaev, who is one of the better conditioned heavyweights, looked fairly flabby around the midriff at 224.

    These advances in nutrition and weight science that athletes in other sport benefit from must have gone unnoticed by most heavyweight boxers.
     
  9. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Uh yeah...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ovh8VkTxYI

    In contrast, watch this video side by side. Carbon copy of Wlad.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW6Z...6084432DD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3

    Too bad Chagaev is complete garbage, yet mother ****ers act like he's actually a good fighter.
     
  10. Jimbob

    Jimbob Active Member Full Member

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    Anyone who thinks that Wlad would beat Ali simply because he's 4 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier knows as much about boxing as I do about Quantum mechanics.
     
  11. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

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    FFS Wlad fell apart against Fat Peter, Yes the same Fat Peter that vitali easily beat after a 4 yr lay off, he lacks poise and cannot deal with agressive punchers, who come out looking to KO him, as we' have seen with Peter, Sanders & Brewster. He is far from Unbeatable.
     
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  13. Jimbob

    Jimbob Active Member Full Member

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    But he did beat Matt Skelton and he's bigger than Ali, thats how boxing works isn't it?:roll:
     
  14. TheGreat

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    Matt Skelton is as scary as George Foreman.....:rofl
     
  15. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont know whose a worse nuthugger, you or farmboxer.

    You act like Wlad is unbeatable, when it i reality he's very beatable, it just so happens the division is going through a depression and there is no good fighters out there that can give Wlad a tough fight. Ali would force Wlad to come at him, which probably means Wlad will have to do more than just punch away a stationary target like he has been with his last several oppenents. Seeing that Wlad has stamina problems, it wont take long before Wlad tires out and will find himself in another Brewster like moment. Which is where Ali will pick up the pace and finish off the mentally and physically drained, glass chinned Wlad.