Ali's Anchor Punch - Question.

mcvey · Dec 5, 2016

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^^^^^^
A reverse punch starts from the hip and transers the energy to the end of the fist after the snap, another fool who knows nothing about mechanics either right here lol
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What an up his own ar*e twat you are! Ali said on camera immediately after the fight the punch that knocked Liston down was," either a left hook or a right cross!" He didn't even know what dropped him! No mention of a karate punch , no mention of an anchor punch ,that was all BS added later to make the ending more palatable for gullible prats like you!Seems it worked in your case!

mcvey · Dec 6, 2016

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QUOTE="GALVATRON, post: 18279521, member: 115453"]Whatever kid, just let me know when you post another video , so I can invite friends over for comedy night.

JoeDrogan420
Striking Essentials
2/20/13
Unlocking the Secrets of the “Anchor Punch”
You probably have heard about a secret punch, mystical in nature and esoteric in its technique. It likely brings up memories of Muhammad Ali’s famous KO of Sonny Liston. (
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) Here’s Ali eloquently explaining the punch, pointing out how quick the punch is and how hard it is to see coming. What’s so mysterious, and surprising, about this punch is that even after watching it, and even after hearing Ali describe it, it still has eluded mainstream striking. No one seems to quite to be able to figure it out; the technique seems to be just too advanced. But with a little training, and a keen eye, this technique can easily be understood and implemented into one’s striking arsenal. Hell, even Nick Diaz has thrown a variation of the “Anchor Punch” (@2:00 of
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). Even more surprising is that Juan Manuel Marquez recent devastating KO of Manny Pacquaio came from the “Anchor Punch” as well. Here’s Marquez practicing the punch in sparring prior to the 4th bout: (
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So, what’s so special about the anchor punch? Well, as mentioned above, the first two obvious things about this punch are the speed at which it comes, and how hard it is to see coming. The next thing to realize is how devastating the power of the punch itself is. The best way for people to understand this, is to practice the punch themselves. To those wondering the proper technique for throwing this punch, well it’s called the “Anchor punch” for a reason. Eeveryone know the shape of an anchor. You know like the one tattooed on Pop-eye’s forearm? That “C” motion is what I’m talking about. When this punch is thrown it has the same mechanics of a right straight, but the arm is thrown in a C motion as if you were shooting an anchor directly at someone’s chin and your arm was to follow the outermost curve of the anchor. So the arm, shoulder, and hips are torqued back prior to the right straight, then begin to come up into the upper arc of the C, then drop down and curve throughout the rest of the anchor motion. The punch turns the hips over and really turns the shoulders over as well, giving the punch the devastating KO power we see.
The reason it is so quick is because it’s almost reflexive in how it uses your muscles. Once you get the motion down, the torque generated just drives more force and speed into the shot. Also the angle the punch comes from is incredibly hard to see. The punch gets there right as the opponent notices that it’s coming, giving even the most adept in head movement no time to get out of the way. This punch is a counterpunch and the angle of the punch coming down just seems to land right on the button every time.

So what’s so mysterious and why do we see it demonstrated in such diverse variations a la Nick Diaz vs. Ali vs. Marquez vs. Anderson, etc.? Well, that all comes down to fighting style, physical attributes, and technique. Nick Diaz, who I’m not even sure knew he was throwing an anchor punch, set up the shot by going into a shell with his lead left arm shielding his face and his right arm below shielding his body. From this shell Diaz throws a jab, stepping in at the same time. He then throws the right hand in an arching motion in between that of a hook and straight, put the punch still curves downward in the anchor motion.

Next up, we can look at Ali, a master of head movement and footwork. Ali, who loved to float like a butterfly with his footwork and sting like a bee with his counterpunching, simply stepped back out of range of Liston’s jab then threw the counter anchor punch right over top. What makes Ali’s KO so memorable is his unbridled self-confidence in his striking, head movement, and footwork. He allows Liston to get inside to setup the punch, but is so confident in his head movement to setup the counter he allows Liston to take a further step in and throw the jab. Ali instantly recoils, torqueing his right hand, then delivers the infamous shot.
Marquez, a tight, technical boxer, landed his anchor punch by baiting an aggressive Pacquaio in, who tried to pursue with his jab. Marquez, craftily prepared, slipped to the outside of the jab and threw the anchor counterpunch over top. This is probably my favorite variation just due to the sheer tightness of technique and the devastating effects of the punch, not just the knockout but what it meant to the boxing world as well.

So, finding which variation matches your fighting style is what is most important in learning to throw this punch most effectively. Offensive fighters like Diaz will wade their way in with a shell. Add power to the shot by stepping in with a jab, then deliver the rear hand counter overtop to the unsuspecting opponent. Defensive minded fighters like Ali and Floyd Mayweather Jr. to setup the strike, in a very similar setup to Floyd’s lead right actually, would back away, deflect, or parry, a strike with their lead hand/arm, or slip a punch and then counter with the rear hand. Not only is this strike effective defensively and offensively, learning its technique will help you understand other important principles of boxing. The most pressing being that you setup your punches with your footwork, and that technique is ingrained in muscle memory. The best of the best practice the best techniques day in and day out, then on fight day all they have to do is get in the ring and let their reflexes take over.

This punch is certainly a favorite of mine, and should be implemented into your arsenal. I know I’d love to see some more anchor punches thrown in MMA, and not just from MMA’s two best boxers in: Nick Diaz and Anderson Silva.
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2/20/13 5:53 PM

"After the fight, Ali claimed the blow was Jack Johnson’s secret anchor punch that actor Stepin Fetchit had taught him. “It’s a chop, so fast you can’t see it,” he said. “It’s karate. It’s got a twist to it. Just one does the job.” No mention of Karate aye?

And the real funny thing is I know FIRST hand about Ali and this punch by my Karate lineage has that not even writers have,knowlede you never will have...lol Unfortunalty the Ali vid is blocked ,but no matter you still play the fool.
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Immediately after the fight Ali was asked which punch dropped Liston and he replied," it was either a right cross or a left hook".Its on the video I posted! He didn't even know what had put Liston down!

Another slant on what Ali shouted to the floored Liston.

"I scream down at him; Get up off that floor,Sonny!
Come on this thing ain't even started yet.Get up and fight ! You're supposed to be so bad!"
Muhammad Ali 1976 ."The Greatest My Own Story" page 118 .

Ali sure wasn't convinced was he.lol
Want another "source" ? You were screaming for them a while ago!

"so are you going to supply us with a source for the Ali quote on the ( Ali anchor Punch thread ) you ran off and forgot??? Or do you have special privilages to post FAKE quoutes with NO source and then TRY and make legit ones others post not valid ???

"Get up you bum ,no one will believe this!" Ali to Liston. According to Mcliar! Though he DID get up. lol"

Here it is!

"Liston toppled over flat on his back.Muhammad now stood over the fallen Liston,screaming Get up and fight sucker....get up and fight,you bum,You're supposed to be so bad...Nobody with believe this!"

Angelo Dundee "My View From The Corner" page 113.!
That's video evidence and both Ali and his Trainer. Good enough for you?No? Here's another !
Ali was as sceptical as his public,and he stood over Liston in disbelief.He waved him up with his gloved hand and snarled at him repeatedly :
"Get up you bum! No one will believe this!".
Dr Ferdie Pacheco M.D " The Fight Doctor" page 73!
So that's Ali himself on video , his trainer, and his personal doctor and cornerman!
I'd say those will do for primary sources!LOL

Found any references to an Anchor Punch in any Jack Johnson book?

No? You wont either!lol
Don't you feel a right c*nt now!LOL
You sad clown![/QUOTE]
You were screaming for sources for the quote I've provided 4, Ali,Dundee,Pacheco ,and Smith.
You're posting on other threads but avoiding this one.
Have the balls to come on this thread and admit I've provided primary sources and that you were wrong!

Mendoza · Dec 6, 2016

mcvey said: ↑

What an up his own ar*e twat you are! Ali said on camera immediately after the fight the punch that knocked Liston down was," either a left hook or a right cross!" He didn't even know what dropped him! No mention of a karate punch , no mention of an anchor punch ,that was all BS added later to make the ending more palatable for gullible prats like you!Seems it worked in your case!
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Didn't Ali yell at Liston to get up because nobody will believe this? YEP.

Odd this " anchor punch ", which produced the start of a 1st around Ko was never used again.

mcvey · Dec 6, 2016

mcvey said: ↑

QUOTE="GALVATRON, post: 18279521, member: 115453"]Whatever kid, just let me know when you post another video , so I can invite friends over for comedy night.

JoeDrogan420
Striking Essentials
2/20/13
Unlocking the Secrets of the “Anchor Punch”
You probably have heard about a secret punch, mystical in nature and esoteric in its technique. It likely brings up memories of Muhammad Ali’s famous KO of Sonny Liston. (
This content is protected
) Here’s Ali eloquently explaining the punch, pointing out how quick the punch is and how hard it is to see coming. What’s so mysterious, and surprising, about this punch is that even after watching it, and even after hearing Ali describe it, it still has eluded mainstream striking. No one seems to quite to be able to figure it out; the technique seems to be just too advanced. But with a little training, and a keen eye, this technique can easily be understood and implemented into one’s striking arsenal. Hell, even Nick Diaz has thrown a variation of the “Anchor Punch” (@2:00 of
This content is protected
). Even more surprising is that Juan Manuel Marquez recent devastating KO of Manny Pacquaio came from the “Anchor Punch” as well. Here’s Marquez practicing the punch in sparring prior to the 4th bout: (
This content is protected
).
So, what’s so special about the anchor punch? Well, as mentioned above, the first two obvious things about this punch are the speed at which it comes, and how hard it is to see coming. The next thing to realize is how devastating the power of the punch itself is. The best way for people to understand this, is to practice the punch themselves. To those wondering the proper technique for throwing this punch, well it’s called the “Anchor punch” for a reason. Eeveryone know the shape of an anchor. You know like the one tattooed on Pop-eye’s forearm? That “C” motion is what I’m talking about. When this punch is thrown it has the same mechanics of a right straight, but the arm is thrown in a C motion as if you were shooting an anchor directly at someone’s chin and your arm was to follow the outermost curve of the anchor. So the arm, shoulder, and hips are torqued back prior to the right straight, then begin to come up into the upper arc of the C, then drop down and curve throughout the rest of the anchor motion. The punch turns the hips over and really turns the shoulders over as well, giving the punch the devastating KO power we see.
The reason it is so quick is because it’s almost reflexive in how it uses your muscles. Once you get the motion down, the torque generated just drives more force and speed into the shot. Also the angle the punch comes from is incredibly hard to see. The punch gets there right as the opponent notices that it’s coming, giving even the most adept in head movement no time to get out of the way. This punch is a counterpunch and the angle of the punch coming down just seems to land right on the button every time.

So what’s so mysterious and why do we see it demonstrated in such diverse variations a la Nick Diaz vs. Ali vs. Marquez vs. Anderson, etc.? Well, that all comes down to fighting style, physical attributes, and technique. Nick Diaz, who I’m not even sure knew he was throwing an anchor punch, set up the shot by going into a shell with his lead left arm shielding his face and his right arm below shielding his body. From this shell Diaz throws a jab, stepping in at the same time. He then throws the right hand in an arching motion in between that of a hook and straight, put the punch still curves downward in the anchor motion.

Next up, we can look at Ali, a master of head movement and footwork. Ali, who loved to float like a butterfly with his footwork and sting like a bee with his counterpunching, simply stepped back out of range of Liston’s jab then threw the counter anchor punch right over top. What makes Ali’s KO so memorable is his unbridled self-confidence in his striking, head movement, and footwork. He allows Liston to get inside to setup the punch, but is so confident in his head movement to setup the counter he allows Liston to take a further step in and throw the jab. Ali instantly recoils, torqueing his right hand, then delivers the infamous shot.
Marquez, a tight, technical boxer, landed his anchor punch by baiting an aggressive Pacquaio in, who tried to pursue with his jab. Marquez, craftily prepared, slipped to the outside of the jab and threw the anchor counterpunch over top. This is probably my favorite variation just due to the sheer tightness of technique and the devastating effects of the punch, not just the knockout but what it meant to the boxing world as well.

So, finding which variation matches your fighting style is what is most important in learning to throw this punch most effectively. Offensive fighters like Diaz will wade their way in with a shell. Add power to the shot by stepping in with a jab, then deliver the rear hand counter overtop to the unsuspecting opponent. Defensive minded fighters like Ali and Floyd Mayweather Jr. to setup the strike, in a very similar setup to Floyd’s lead right actually, would back away, deflect, or parry, a strike with their lead hand/arm, or slip a punch and then counter with the rear hand. Not only is this strike effective defensively and offensively, learning its technique will help you understand other important principles of boxing. The most pressing being that you setup your punches with your footwork, and that technique is ingrained in muscle memory. The best of the best practice the best techniques day in and day out, then on fight day all they have to do is get in the ring and let their reflexes take over.

This punch is certainly a favorite of mine, and should be implemented into your arsenal. I know I’d love to see some more anchor punches thrown in MMA, and not just from MMA’s two best boxers in: Nick Diaz and Anderson Silva.
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2/20/13 5:53 PM

"After the fight, Ali claimed the blow was Jack Johnson’s secret anchor punch that actor Stepin Fetchit had taught him. “It’s a chop, so fast you can’t see it,” he said. “It’s karate. It’s got a twist to it. Just one does the job.” No mention of Karate aye?

And the real funny thing is I know FIRST hand about Ali and this punch by my Karate lineage has that not even writers have,knowlede you never will have...lol Unfortunalty the Ali vid is blocked ,but no matter you still play the fool.
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Immediately after the fight Ali was asked which punch dropped Liston and he replied," it was either a right cross or a left hook".Its on the video I posted! He didn't even know what had put Liston down!

Another slant on what Ali shouted to the floored Liston.

"I scream down at him; Get up off that floor,Sonny!
Come on this thing ain't even started yet.Get up and fight ! You're supposed to be so bad!"
Muhammad Ali 1976 ."The Greatest My Own Story" page 118 .

Ali sure wasn't convinced was he.lol
Want another "source" ? You were screaming for them a while ago!

"so are you going to supply us with a source for the Ali quote on the ( Ali anchor Punch thread ) you ran off and forgot??? Or do you have special privilages to post FAKE quoutes with NO source and then TRY and make legit ones others post not valid ???

"Get up you bum ,no one will believe this!" Ali to Liston. According to Mcliar! Though he DID get up. lol"

Here it is!

"Liston toppled over flat on his back.Muhammad now stood over the fallen Liston,screaming Get up and fight sucker....get up and fight,you bum,You're supposed to be so bad...Nobody with believe this!"

Angelo Dundee "My View From The Corner" page 113.!
That's video evidence and both Ali and his Trainer. Good enough for you?No? Here's another !
Ali was as sceptical as his public,and he stood over Liston in disbelief.He waved him up with his gloved hand and snarled at him repeatedly :
"Get up you bum! No one will believe this!".
Dr Ferdie Pacheco M.D " The Fight Doctor" page 73!
So that's Ali himself on video , his trainer, and his personal doctor and cornerman!
I'd say those will do for primary sources!LOL

Found any references to an Anchor Punch in any Jack Johnson book?

No? You wont either!lol
Don't you feel a right c*nt now!LOL
You sad clown![/QUOTE]
You were screaming for sources for the quote I've provided 4, Ali,Dundee,Pacheco ,and Smith.
You're posting on other threads but avoiding this one.
Have the balls to come on this thread and admit I've provided primary sources and that you were wrong!

Mendoza said: ↑

Didn't Ali yell at Liston to get up because nobody will believe this? YEP.

Odd this " anchor punch ", which produced the start of a 1st around Ko was never used again.
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That's the crux of it!

Mendoza · Dec 6, 2016

Nighttrain said: ↑

Wow, this is gotten convoluted! I can't even tell who's arguing what. Is it actually being suggested that all we didn't scream over Liston? All you really wasn't the mime type!

Here's the bottom line is we can all go back trying to figure out the question of the ages "WHY DOES SIZE MATTER" ALI landed a quick punch to Sonny LISTON's temple snap his head back and disoriented him. The punch was short and fast and hit the right spot. The count after the knock down was completely screwed up. Liston says that he never heard the count and was attempting to pick it up. Liston said that he could have gotten up which appears to be the case since he was fighting after being on the canvas for 12 seconds.

Part of Liston did not give a shiiiit! He was a guy with a drinking problem who was getting screwed over by his mafiaoso management and was at least little bit nervous about Muslims. In no small part he probably just wanted to get the hell out of there at this point.
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Liston wanted to take the count, Referee Joe Walcott screwed it up. When a fighter wants to take the count, it's a fix. This was round 1. Liston wasn't damaged and to prove it the fight finished with the two on their feet.

Fix, Fix, Fix!

dempsey1234 · Dec 6, 2016

Seems to me this anchor punch was in reality an arm punch. Ali hit Liston harder with a right hand before that and he didnt go down. I guess we will never know for sure but knowing Liston was a tough guy and had taken better shots from harder punching guys over his career, that, that punch put him down leaves one wondering if perhaps there might be something to those fix rumors.

reznick · Dec 6, 2016

It doesn't take much when you land perfectly on the chin.
https://streamable.com/c1kb

It looks like Ali caught Liston right on the chin.

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Notice how fast Listons head snaps from the punch. And look how his hands hit the canvas.
He got rocked.

You can also see the 'shockwave' in his shoulder from the punch. That's a shoulder snap punch.

dempsey1234 · Dec 6, 2016

Rez, you cant compare Ali's punch with that clip, no matter the shock waves, the clip showed a guy hauling off and landing a left with his body behind it. A "shoulder snap punch" and an arm punch seems to be the same thing. Hit a heavy bag with that "shoulder snap punch" and then a full punch with your weight behind it there is a difference. Back in the day guys used to slap the extended hand and throw that "shoulder snap punch", meant more as scoring punch than a KO punch. Ali wasnt stopping anybody else as durable as Liston was supposed to be. The right hand landed by Ali was a whole lot harder then that arm punch.

reznick · Dec 6, 2016

dempsey1234 said: ↑

Rez, you cant compare Ali's punch with that clip, no matter the shock waves, the clip showed a guy hauling off and landing a left with his body behind it. A "shoulder snap punch" and an arm punch seems to be the same thing. Hit a heavy bag with that "shoulder snap punch" and then a full punch with your weight behind it there is a difference. Back in the day guys used to slap the extended hand and throw that "shoulder snap punch", meant more as scoring punch than a KO punch. Ali wasnt stopping anybody else as durable as Liston was supposed to be. The right hand landed by Ali was a whole lot harder then that arm punch.
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The shoulder snap is like a shockwave inside your body when you unleash a punch.
It's what gives guys like Marciano, Golovkin and Louis thudding power. Shavers described it as a sling shot.
You can tell when you watch them missing a punch, and you see the trajectory of the arm separating from the body and doing a heavy whip lash.

Ali's punch is not an arm punch. You can see his fist starting from his waist. He doesn't just poke out his right. He brings it up by his body vertically, and catapults it over his shoulder with his elbow bent towards Liston.

dempsey1234 · Dec 6, 2016

Rez, look again Ali's punch didnt come from a set Ali he was on the move and he shot it over, Tyson on the other hand is set. Look at the difference in Ali's right hand before that. Even Ali was surprised that's why even he questioned it. Why not slo-mo that first right hand, there is a difference. But if you still see it was a punch that could put a "Liston" out, that's ok, np.

Nighttrain · Dec 6, 2016

dempsey1234 said: ↑

Rez, look again Ali's punch didnt come from a set Ali he was on the move and he shot it over, Tyson on the other hand is set. Look at the difference in Ali's right hand before that. Even Ali was surprised that's why even he questioned it. Why not slo-mo that first right hand, there is a difference. But if you still see it was a punch that could put a "Liston" out, that's ok, np.
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It didn't put him out. It caught him on the temple and disoriented him, and he didn't get an audible count to know when to get up.

mcvey · Dec 7, 2016

reznick said: ↑

It doesn't take much when you land perfectly on the chin.
https://streamable.com/c1kb

It looks like Ali caught Liston right on the chin.

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Notice how fast Listons head snaps from the punch. And look how his hands hit the canvas.
He got rocked.

You can also see the 'shockwave' in his shoulder from the punch. That's a shoulder snap punch.
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The punch landed on the temple.

reznick · Dec 7, 2016

I don't know if it took him out.
But he definitely put him down with a clean good punch.

Listons chin is up because he's fully extended with the jab. That was a serious punch Ali landed.

reznick · Dec 7, 2016

dempsey1234 said: ↑

Rez, look again Ali's punch didnt come from a set Ali he was on the move and he shot it over, Tyson on the other hand is set. Look at the difference in Ali's right hand before that. Even Ali was surprised that's why even he questioned it. Why not slo-mo that first right hand, there is a difference. But if you still see it was a punch that could put a "Liston" out, that's ok, np.
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Respectfully disagree

A normal straight right is off the ball of your foot while you twist your body and shoot the arm out straight and bring it back.

Ali's punch follows a whole other trajectory. Look at the baby steps he takes to set himself up. He presses hard against the canvas with his back foot to launch the right hand over and around his shoulder like a sling shot.

dempsey1234 · Dec 7, 2016

Rez, let's agree to disagree, but please, please keep posting your clips.

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