Ali's wins over Liston overrated?

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  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    The Phatom Punch is tough to rank or properly value. But Ali beat him first go around while Sonny was champ and the odds for the fight shows what everyone thought going in.

    Ali whipping and forcing a quit out of Liston for the belt is a better snatching of the HW title then:
    -Louis winning it from Braddock
    -Schmeling winning it from vacancy against Sharkey, then Sharkey in rematch
    -Tyson winning it from Spinks
    -Foreman winning it from Moorer
    -Lennox winning it from Briggs
    -Wladimir winning it from vacancy against Chagaev
     
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  2. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    who has Chris Arreola ever koed?
     
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  3. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Prob. The second fight looked an obvious fix.
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Of his 35 victories 31 were by KO, 2 were DQ's and 1 of his UD's he dropped Quezada 3 times.
    He's lot 4 times once to Vitali what a shock.
    A MD against Adamek when he was good.
    And twice to Stiverne who we don't really know how good he really is.

    It's not out of the question Arreola could stop Liston Chris is a big strong dude.
     
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  5. Azzer85

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    Liston would be the one of the two best heavyweights out there today.

    Hed knock Haye and Povetkin out
     
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  6. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Arreola beat nothing but bums.and lost everytime he stepped and im supposed to.believe hes going to beat a guy who was simply superior to him in every department
     
    Azzer85, Dec 11, 2014
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  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Wow. No.
     
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  8. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who dare question Liston who only lost to killers such as Marty Marshall and Leotis Martin?
     
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  9. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Why are you so sure about that? The whole point is, he never even fought a guy of Povetkin's size in his entire career, let alone it's a dead set certainty that he would knock him out. :conf
     
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  10. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    in a pie eating contest.

    liston would walk on on the clown, disgusted thatsomeone so unfit is allowed to fight for the HW crown.
     
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  11. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    because skills pay bills, not size
     
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  12. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    of course, Arreola would knock Liston out, just take a look at Arreolas list of victims, such as........
     
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  13. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    funny how people claim Liston was a cw etc etc, and claim Arreolaa would ko, last time Arreola fought a world class cw....he lost
     
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  14. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. I think most people rate the Frazier and Foreman wins above those wins anyways.
     
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  15. Imperial1

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    Where do,you trolls come from with this stupid **** honestly :patsch
     
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