Alistair overeem...

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  1. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Im fully aware of that. But you cannot level baseless claims at anyone just for the sake of it. Holy was claimed to be on roids because of his muscular build and the fact that he worked with Haney. Holyfield is one of the hardest working guys in the sport. Now your saying he's on EPO based on what? The vast majority of boxers and users in fighting sports are on mass building steroids because they help with recuperation. Its very rare to see blood doping in MMA or boxing.
     
  2. Utter1

    Utter1 Active Member Full Member

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    Who do you think in MMA and boxing could have POSSIBILY used steroids?

    Aslo is there a way to find what all the drugs do....or list on the net etc.

    As far i know-

    EPO - Increase cardio abilty
    Deca- mass
    Dianbol- mass
    HGH
     
  3. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    You can level the accusation at anyone. Bottom line is because its so prevalent most of the claims are simply baseless. Guys dont use them just for performance they use them for rehab. And if you want to find out what those drugs do, google around or go on Bodybuilding.com forum its full up with gear heads who'll swap there favourite stacks with you.
     
  4. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield is a known drug cheat.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/02/28/holyfield/

    More accurately "Evan Fields" who has the same birth date, address, and phone number is a known client of dirty pharmacy that delivered Test, HGH, and other goodies to his house.

    Maybe he only started late in his career, and at that point who can blame him, but it is beyond all sensible doubt that Holyfield has used steroids and HGH.
     
  5. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    i dont think tyson took them

    i have a feeling that holyfield took them
     
  6. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Beyond all doubt? And you basing that on a client who delivered Growth to Evan Fields?!?!?!

    As for the video you posted im not sure what your point is. But Brock was postively on hormones throughout his wrestling career and Randy has been on hormone replacement therapy.
     
  7. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh, wrong link, it was supposed to be to the SI article about "Evan Fields"

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/02/28/holyfield/
     
  8. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Hormone use is rife in fighting sports. BUT accusations are just that. There baseless until proven empiracally. That idiot from Balco Victor Conte did the same and tried to bring everyone down with him accusing the world and its wife of using his illegal supplements when he was indicted. If there was a good enough accusation to level at Holyfield that he was on illegal drugs then im sure the Fed would be investigating him. Il take SI articles with a huge pinch of salt.
     
  9. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They went after, and succesfully prosecuted the pharmacy, which was the goal.

    Investigations like this almost never go after clients, only if they lie to federal investigators or congress.

    They were never looking to prosecute Evander, because what he did wasn't much of a crime; what the phamacy did was. They could have easily got Evander, but it would have been a huge waste of time.

    Believe me, there is absolutely no doubt that Holyfield had test and HGH delivered to his house.
     
  10. macp1

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    good call
     
  11. rekcutnevets

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    I do believe Evander went on some form of gear, but I think he did it later in his career. I think he was on something around the time he fought Chris Byrd. I have seen Evander in the ring with smaller opponents, but never saw him try to use his strength against those smaller opponents like he did that night. I remember thinking," he looks very strong tonight."
     
  12. SomeGuy101

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    That's a cop out answer right there!!!! Saying until proven no one takes this ****? ROFL!

    By that logic I could turn around and say Overeem never did this before and just got caught for 'the first time'. Or that he hadn't wanked in a while.

    Did the company just 'misdeliver' to Holyfield while using the same address and phone number but plainly just get the name wrong? All while the bills miracously continued to get paid? And do you not think the media would have found a man by the name of Evans Fields too if he existed? And how did they get wind of the story to begin with?

    I suppose because they've never been caught too half the NFL don't take steroids? Or Baseball league?

    You really think these doctors and trainers and EVEN testers aren't on the payroll? Seriously!?!?!?!?!? REALLY!?!?? We see it in business and politics everyday, we see dodgy decisions in UFC and boxing based on business so why don't you think testing is any different? Because thyey chuck the odd scapegoat out now and again?

    Evans was a juicer and you were wrong, you made a statement without first checking your facts just admit it.
     
  13. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    LOL @ this douche calling me out on a post made 4 years ago :lol:. First off READ the context of the statement before you sprout off.
    And you'll find stupid that according to the letter of the law my post stands. What i you or i think personally is immaterial. Iv repeated numerous times that hormone use is rife. But the fact an athlete isn't found guilty until he FAILS a test ala Overeem is the only sane way to deal with it. You can't just level baseless claims at someone just by assuming everyone's guilty until proven innocent.