Am I the ONLY ONE who thought Cotto did quite well?

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  1. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also, it would have been suicide for Cotto to try and crowd Canelo. Canelo has one of the best inside offensive/defensive games in boxing. Late in the fight, I think round 9 where Cotto tried to crowd Canelo, he took a beating for it.

    Cotto's only chance was to try and win the fight on the outside, and Cotto just did not look comfortable. Canelo was far more relaxed and had the advantage both inside and out.

    Canelo's slow footspeed is the only thing that gave Cotto a chance. If Canelo played this like a typical Mayweather fight, he could have barely got hit. The "fight" would have been terrible and the fans would have booed, but when Mayweather does it, everyone says it's a masterpiece, even though it's like his opponent was never in a fight.
     
  2. Skins

    Skins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That fight was really much ado about nothing. I thought it was closer than the judges cards. Cotto's strategy seemed to be to steal rounds due to Canelo's inactivity and win a decision. Don't know what Canelo's strategy was, he just fights in spurts, and the spurts were not doing any damage to Cotto. Even his best shots weren't doing anything and that is concerning for somebody who is supposed to be a puncher. All in all a very underwealming performance by both fighters.
     
  3. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The guy who couldn't even whobble 153 lbs Cotto has the power to bother GGG? I guarentee you he definetly doesn't. Canelo's power wasn't all that special at LMW, It'll be very average at MW. He only has speed over Golovkin but GGG's jab, ring generalship and footwork is more than good enough to neutralize that.
     
  4. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Canelo is MASSIVE whereas Cotto is tiny.
    Canelo's power is overrated, he's not a puncher. Putting punchbag Angulo and glass chinned Kirkland, both inept guys also, is not convincing me.

    Mosley said Canelo has the same power as Mayweather p4p.


    Golovkin will be relentless against Canelo, Canelo can definitely hit him with some good counters - because Canelo has decent timing, but Golovkin will control the fight and set traps early on, taking out Canelo late i.e TKO 10 or 11.
     
  5. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    When Canelo eventually moves up, he'd actually be better off in terms of strength and power, although I'd say that his power is certainly not going to win Golovkin's respect, although his crafty counters will to an extent.

    Canelo does not have good power. Canelo has a lot to work on IMO, and has only addressed a few smaller issues since losing to Mayweather.

    GBP WILL cash out on Canelo by have him beat the other 154lbers out there, and maybe drain the MW's to 155 or 157. Then in like 2 years, GGG and Canelo will fight. They want to see GGG show signs of slowing down.
     
  6. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
  7. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I'm talking ring generalship. Canelo was not a 'hunter' by any means although yeah he did land the cleaner shots.
     
  8. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I'm certainly not telling Cotto to crowd Canelo, that would be a Kirkland-esque mistake.
    Cotto was outworking Canelo.
    Mayweather is a sham, he doesn't fight-to-win. For me, boxing is fighting-to-win, whilst being as defensively responsible as you can under this philosophy.
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I concur 100%. It looked like Cotto was the better boxer even though Canelo was hitting harder. However, neither man seemed particularly bothered by the other's power, and neither was ever hurt. I didn't score the bout, but if I did, I would have given it to Cotto on ring generalship and what looked like the higher number of clean punches.

    If you were going to give the fight to Canelo based on superior damage, that makes sense, but Cotto wasn't particularly damaged. This fight reminded me a lot of the Canelo Lara fight, and I kept thinking, "Canelo when will you learn to cut off a ring!" One thing that did bother me was that it didn't look like Cotto was putting any power into his own punches. It was like he resolved to point score, and had no follow through, because he didn't think he could hurt Canelo even if he loaded up and fought flat footed instead of moving and up on his toes.

    I seriously expected Canelo to knock Cotto out, but I guess I've been overestimating Canelo's abilities.
     
  10. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I have a feeling most people watched the HBO commentary, because it's easy to give Canelo credit for shots that Cotto actually parried (something Cotto does a lot), if you have Max Kellerman, Roy Jones and Lampley screaming into your ears with convictions of certainty over Canelo's 'success'.

    Yeah this definitely wasn't a fight that pushed eachother to bring out the most of their mental toughness and durability. I agree that Cotto wasn't really putting any power in either, it's like as if he only has faith in his hook at this stage of his career lol.

    I was debating over a Canelo knockout and a Canelo UD, I chose a Canelo UD, thinking it would be close. I imagined Cotto to fade considerably more than Canelo down the stretch, with Cotto ending up wanting to trade and landing into the jaws of the lion as a result and Canelo would have then KO'd the depleted Cotto.
     
  11. Flizzip

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    I think cotto did awesome. 115-113 Canelo
     
  12. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The difference in size was ridiculous. I don't know what the fight night weights were, but it's just not right for a middleweight bout when your opponent is; taller than you, bulkier than you both on the lower body and on the upper body. It was obvious they didn't belong in the same weight class and I think that size was what made the difference throughout the fight.

    I had it 116-112 for Canelo. The cards were significantly wider than they should have been.
     
  13. Pimp C

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    Wrong pbf is greater and has the higher atg ranking as well. Only a fool would rank oscar higher than pbf his own magazine the ring didn't even do that.:deal


    As far as cotto I felt he did very well but I knew going in it would be impossible for him to get a decision.
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The cards were fine last night. The only reason why you are saying that is because you don’t like that Canelo beat Cotto by a wider margin than Mayweather did.

    That bothers you.

    You also don’t like that Canelo got a 114-114 draw vs Floyd. That bothers you because you don’t want Canelo to surpass Floyd.

    You must accept the fact that Floyd’s ERA is over and this is Canelo’s ERA now!

    Now it's Canelo’s time, he beat Cotto worse than Floyd did!
     
  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You don't know **** about boxing or how to score fights cotto won at least 5 rounds against canelo he won 3 or 4 against pbf.