Three world champions, multiple pros, several current and former world champions. Three currently top ranked world class amateurs. Over 50 regional and national /world amateur titles. Four of our former amateurs are present or former boxers at Robert Garcias' gym. None of them have ever lifted weights as part of their training.
The original debate was about lifting weights to build muscle or lighter weights to tone muscle. The heaviest weights we lift, not including the tire flip, is 25 pounds. I have from the beginning felt we talking about different things.
I've stated multiple times that I'm referring to improving the performance of an athlete. I haven't once said a thing about building muscle or "toning" the most ambiguous, useless word in the fitness industry. Seems that way.
well you can claim that either way ,they are not at peak performance then. And you are limited because you dont know how to introduce that aspect. did you notice why the europeans are excelling by the way? they train smart and with the best possible ways to increase physical performance through cross training/ strength training ( some ) and weights. this is stuff ive been preaching since the early 1990's ,you dont know what you are talking about in preaching weights only build tone and dont help boxing.
All any of us really have are our opinions based upon our experiences and outcomes. I never said lifting weights only toned muscles. Using wrist and ankle weights, medicine balls, 25 pound or lighter hand weights when shadow boxing are great for sculpting and toning muscle. My experiences with over 5000 students passing through our gym the past 30 years is that those students who regularly lift heavy weights and or have massive muscle mass are slower, unable to punch correctly and tire more easily. That is my experience. I haven't seen anything different in the past 50 years to think otherwise. If your experiences vary, so be it and I wish you all the best.
There's a HUGE difference between bodybuilding and lifting weights for performance. You don't seem to understand this, this misunderstanding is causing you problems. As I said in an earlier post, do some research into the subject instead of deciding based on some meat head bodybuilder turning up and being a bit slow, a completely ridiculous way to judge a training method.
Again we appear to be saying the same thing. Just saying it in a different way from a different view. I don't disagree with anything you just said.