An open letter to each and every person who calls Cotto a 'quitter'

Pacfan, just read your thread now. And i understand what your'e saying. Personally, i could never discredit a fighter for doing what Cotto did, any1 calling fighters 'quitters' are just clowns. Getting in there takes immense courage for a start, then establishing himself as a world class fighter and taking helll from Marg for 11 rounds deserves honourable note at the least.

But on a pure 'what happened' note, he did go down to avoid taking a shot, that much is true. When you look at Robinson-Maxim where Robinson was absolutely exhausted and missed a punch and landed flat on his face then you can see that some guys reallydo fight until the last bell. Like i say though, i'd never discredit Cotto for what happened in the fight, my all-time favourite is in my avatar, I would never take from him because of what happened on 1 nite in his career, and that was quiting, but then again the 2 are hardly comparable.

 

It is the instances of Robinson and Cotto that are incomparable: Robinson was suffering primarily from exhaustion, Cotto was suffering primarily from facial injuries. They are different situations and it is a facile analogy.

I have the opposite point of view: I thought Cotto was taking a knee because he was in survival mode and was desperately trying to make his way through the round. I think he felt he was on the brink of being KO'd and took the knee to try and regain his senses to be able to stay in the fight, instead of being punched into unconsciouness and out of the fight altogether if he stayed up at the point.

Look at 1min 30secs of this round:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PMBJ5F3j04c

Hatton takes a few shots, sees Mayweather coming at him again, and goes down on the deck a split-second before the ref intervenes. I don't recall the same furore over him going down to avoid an attack. Is this because he went down onto his back rather than his knee?

And in what sense do you mean this situation and the No Mas are incomparable?

 

He did quit. He might have had good reason to but facts are facts.

 

Yes, facts are facts.

FACT: Kenny Bayless was counting, Miguel Cotto got up, Evangelista Cotto jumped up on the ring apron with the white towel, Kenny Bayless waved it off.

Facts.

 

His corner only stepped in because he kept taking a knee, he had no fight left and had given up.

 

right, you said it. his corner called it quits, not him. :deal

 

Yep, you're 100% correct, his corner stepped in. The fact is his corner forced the ref to end the fight. Well observed.

 

the corner only stepped in because they saw that cotto didn't want to fight anymore. there are 11 pages about whether or not cotto quit. why? he took 2 knees without gettng hit with punches. he did not want to fight anymore.

 

Pacfan, im not even trying to discredit Cotto at all, you're making me sound like some general forum ****-talker, dunno what you're problem is. It can be looked at from any poiint of view, the fact is that Cotto opted to go down without taking a punch. I dont even care about it, Cotto is one of the top fighters in the world still, and ive always watched and followed him with interest.

I meant that the fighters are incomparable, meaning Duran and Cotto, in terms of legacy, not the incidents in which the 'quitting' or 'not quitting' occurred respectfully. The reason i said that is because in your original post you said that Duran did quit (which he did), and that Cotto never (which is true from a certain viewpoint also), but it came across as if you were putting Cotto above Duran in an aspect which would be so heavily outweighed if we measured their legacies against one another that it wouldnt be worthwile doing so.

Anyway, i never wanted to get in an argument here, ive seen some of your stuff in the classic lately and i was of the thinking you are a respectable poster. Dont know why you're trying to make it sound as if im discrediting a guy who im clearly not. I made that clear in my original post, just thought i'd put my viewpoint on this thread, i dont think i said anything out of order.

 

I don't know why you're offended. You disagreed with me, I disagreed with you. Nothing sinister or overly confrontational about that IMO. I do think your comparison of the situations involving Robinson and Cotto is facile because the reasons both went down were completely different. And mate I was genuinely NOT comparing Cotto and Duran in terms of ability/resume/legacy or anything else of the sort, Duran is one of my all-time heroes and will always be a million miles ahead of Miguel Cotto in every way. I was using that example to show objectivity, as I love Duran but he DID quit. I don't love Cotto, but he DIDN'T. We are around about on the same page I think!