Analyzing Calzaghe and Dawson's Last Two Fights

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by King Dan, Nov 14, 2008.


  1. Motor City Sam

    Motor City Sam Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. King Dan

    King Dan Golovkin Full Member

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    Jones coud absolutely score a flash knockdown but would never be able to finish Dawson off.
     
  3. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Given Dawson's recovery speed once hurt and Jones' speed and precision, I think Jones would be able to finish Dawson off.
     
  4. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Jones never was a big puncher at 175, and he's even less so now because he has lost speed.

    Adamek without question has more one-punch power than Jones, and I think Tarver still hits just as hard. Where did Jones get this reputation for huge punching at 175? He did have formidable power at 160 and 168, but even in his prime most of his stoppages at LHW were due to speed and accumulation.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Adamek does punch harder than Jones, but only at cruiserweight. At light heavyweight, Jones would be considerably faster (hand-speed) and more precise too. I don't think you have to be a formidable puncher to stop Dawson, given his chin and recuperative powers. I would be surprised if Jones could not hurt Dawson at all during the 12 rounds and once he does, he'd be better placed to stop him than any of Dawson's opponents so far, in my view. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Dawson kept on the outside for the entire fight and cruised to a very wide decision either. Pick'em fight for me.
     
  6. Villain

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    I hear a whole lot about Dawson these days. I guess that shows the state of the division. I like Chad don't get me wrong, but he is barely out of prospect status. He is almost completely untested still. He may become GREAT, but the fact is we just don't know that yet. Naming him right now some sort of mandatory challenger for cementing a Calzaghe legacy is a bit much.
     
  7. Villain

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    Absolutely. Jones was at his best at 168 in my opinion. Above that he was just displaying how far his gifts could take him. At 175 he had just enough power that along with his quick hands he would keep people cautious which allowed him to school them.
     
  8. bachatu

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    I don't think it is a fair comparison to try and match up an old Jones against a prime Dawson. However, it seems some people still believe Jones would have a credible chance against Dawson, despite his last few performances.
    Let's be real! - The current version of Jones would not last in a fight against Dawson.

    Here is why:

    1) Nowadays, Jones only comes out and fights if he feels the other guy is not a threat (i.e. Tito Trinidad). Dawson has power in both hands, has speed, and is a huge offensive machine, which makes him a huge threat to Jones. This would likely cause Jones to either fight extremely cautious - certainly more so than against Joe (reference G Johnson fight) - or try to fight and get caught.

    2) Dawson's size and reach advantage. A deteriorated Jones is not a prime one, who was once able to able to get in and out of punching range, regardless of his opponents reach. The current Jones is a flat footed version who has no legs; it is the unfortunate truth. As of a result, he no longer is able to make guys miss and is only able to keep his hands high in attempt to block punches, which we have seen is not most effective when he is laying back against the ropes.

    3) Punch resistance and durability. At this point of his career, Roy Jones is not the most durable fighter. Against Dawson, you have to be able to take some punishment and give it back. Roy knows he doesn't have the toughest beard, as does Dawson, though this affects Roy more, especially MENTALLY. His ability to handle tough pressure has diminished since experiencing those brutal knockouts and knowing it was a result of not having the physical tools he once had and so much relied on.

    Verdict: Dawson KO in 6.
     
  9. kotjinx

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    I'm not sure what claim you agree with (the nominal dollars - we don't know, the risk?, the Jeff Lacy - probably not). Anyway, I can't agree with either.

    First of all, it's not like Calzaghe has that many exciting options at LHW at the moment. Of the fighters out there (excluding rematches) Dawson has done the most. WTF is he supposed to do? Destroy Diaconu? Rematch Johnson? And once he does that, what next. And is his resume going to be that much stronger with Diaconu and Johnson (x2) on it? I don't think so. So if he'd be good then, he's good now.
     
  10. BigReg

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    Jones couldn't finish off Ajamu, Hanshaw, or shot, chinney, rusty Tito Trinidad. In fact, he hasn't finished anyone off in 5 years. No way in hell would he stop Dawson.
     
  11. TheGreat

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    :patsch Jones at this stage wouldn't even get in the ring with Dawson as he would likely be stopped.
     
  12. Uppercut83

    Uppercut83 The Quitschkos are bums Full Member

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    Chad lost to Glen Johnson though, he was donated a win.
     
  13. King Dan

    King Dan Golovkin Full Member

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    If your score card read a victory for Johnson then so be it.
    It was a close fight in the end I suppose.
    Personally I had Dawson wining 6 of the first 7 rounds.

    I had it 8-4 in the end for Chad.

    Saying Dawson was "donated" a win is a real stretch and would take some seriously flawed scoring.
     
  14. Uppercut83

    Uppercut83 The Quitschkos are bums Full Member

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    I scored it 115-113 GJ
     
  15. Motor City Sam

    Motor City Sam Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No matter who you had winning the Dawson/Johnson fight, it was too close to be called a "robbery" or "gift" either way it went. Dawson gets criticized for that win more than some fighters get criticized for losses. Not to mention the fact that Glenn Johnson is still a heck of a fighter.