Andre Ward at SMW.

no, now you are making it up, canelo was his first elite.

So you concede that matching an elite is case for being elite, especially since losing to an elite can still mean you are elite, so the case closed.

they still havent reached elite

yet you accept that being beat by an elite can mean you are elite if you beat other elites. So you a draw MUST carry some weight to make you elite. YOU have failed in your eagerness to find a hole.

he started building a case for it when he beat Pascal, since we know Pascal shortly went on to take and match elite scalps.

no thats your logic - your logic is that someone isnt elite the nigth before a fight but then suddenly is the night after - ridiculous - noone gains skills overnight! Boxers arent characters in a role playing game who add experience points to level up in 60 seconds!

Becoming elite is a process of strengthening your case throughout your career, with emphasis on elite fights.

thats what I said to you. Borrowing my lines wont save u.

VVV Look at you laughing at your own fails, funny as. VVV

 

LOL

Very true, he's got some great genetics that make me jealous.

 

That made me laugh.

 

I'm not concerned.

It was you who laughed at the notion that Roy could be classed as the greatest SMW based on H2H ability.

Yes, Benn would have presented him with a tough match up stylistically. He'd have been very dangerous due to his speed, power and ferociousness.

Whilst Eubank and Collins were very tough, they wouldn't have presented Roy with the same issues.

 

Resume is the most important factor. But there are also many other factors to consider. But I'm sure you already knew that.

 

I'm not knocking Joe at all, I'm knocking you.

I'm merely using one of your earlier quotes to highlight your bias.

 

He was more effective at MW.

 

As if you really need me to tell you who exactly I was referring to.

Every knowledgeable fan knows that Eubank was faded.

Every knowledgeable fan knows that Benn was faded.

 

We were specifically discussing Joe and Andre's resumes.

Another pointless post.

You're on a roll.

 

Ha!

You haven't even realised that the article burns Joe.


"We tried to fight Pavlik straight after I'd beaten Lacy"

So Joe was trying to fight an unknown NABF champ who fought in the division below?

Great.


In 2008, Pavlik was a name. He'd beaten Taylor twice. But according to Joe, he'd done nothing to warrant a fight.

So: He'd done nothing to warrant a fight in 2008, but he had 2 years earlier when he was unknown?

Ha!

Makes sense.

Ha!

Comedy gold.

And you wonder why he gets criticised.

 

I know that he would not fight Tarver, Dawson or Pavlik.

I know that he would not fight a prime version of Roy.


When he didn't want to fight someone, he gave his usual default answers:

"They don't excite me"

"They've done nothing to warrant a fight with me"


Again, even when he knew he couldn't fight Ottke and that there was nothing else on the horizon at SMW, he still wouldn't move up to LHW.


He was content to defend his lightly regarded WBO belt against anybody they put in front of him. He even fought Veit again, despite the fact that he'd already knocked him out in a round, less than 3 years earlier. He fought for an organisation who were a laughing stock.


I do not need to possess psychic powers, in order for me to say with complete confidence, that:

"It's a fantasy to suggest that he'd have fought a guy like Sergey Kovalev at LHW"

 

He fought S Branco is Karlsruhe

 

Along with calzaghe arguably the best ever at 168.

 

Ward would have beaten bute worse than pbf beat gatti.

 

I think he would if they fought now, but dont think that would have been the case when both were undefeated SMW champs.
Ward hasnt seemed interested in facing boxer movers in his career and Bute at that time was that and with a decent punch.
Ward didnt seem interested in facing Bute and I think due to styles could have gone to Bute before Froch beat him