But me arguing his standing as the greatest fighter ever from the UK is entirely relevant and everytime evidence is found to the contrary then i'm going to bring it up aren't i... condescend? I was actually been nice- I am gutted when my fave fighters get beat. Don't be a baby.
Seriously, Jeff, what is your problem with Calzaghe? I have never been a big fan of his and that is the reason why I hardly ever comment on him - it's that simple. The fact that I am not a fan means I couldn't give a toss about talking about him and that also means that I don't go out of my way to talk about him or take cheap shots at him from across a keyboard. With you, however, it's personal. Why? Did you once meet him and he was rude to you or mocked you, or are you just jealous of his achievements? I really don't understand the constant berating of him from your end. It makes no sense whatsoever - there must be an ulterior issue with you and JC, IMHO:good.
'I did say he was blah blah blah'. You think I don't know what when I have his entire career? You spoke to me as if I'm the typical cheerleader that graces this forum that won't acknowledge any flaws in his fighter and picks him against Jesus. When that is not the case, I've spoken at length in Kessler topics about his flaws and picked Ward to win the damn fight so don't come at me like that! :-( Most people don't hold him as the greatest from the UK so that is bull**** in itself. That's a straw man argument.
C'mon Jeff let it go, would Ward beat Calzaghe? on last nights performance yes imo, he looked very special despite the shitty ref helping him out. Will be interesting to see if Ward can take his show on the road though. However Calzaghe has nothing to do with the super 6 and beat the only fighters at his weight available at the time, I dont know what you mean exactly when you bleat on about ATG and top 100 but he is the best British fighter I have ever seen FACT, and ive been a hard core fight fan for 25 years (I also boxed for 10).
Ok constantly people do argue on here that he is one of the all time greats- FACT. I have no problem at all with Calzaghe, a likeable bloke and a damned good fighter. But everytime some ill educated fan declares him the greatest I find it discredits all the other fighters who worked incredibly hard to form their legacies. Calzaghe is an amazing fighter- brilliant at executing his southpaw style, almost to perfection, but he was no better then the likes of Benn, Eubank and Collins. Calzaghe's career was largely irrelevant until the very late stages and he spent most of his time been a plastic champion in a poor division. He did eventually step up when the time was right but against middleweights, never will be's and shot ATG's if every fighter were to follow his blueprint to success boxing would cease. One decent win does not make a ATG fighter.
Ok thats your opinion and with respect I don't agree at all. I also don't think Ward would have beaten Calzaghe.
I'm just not entirely sure who you think you are arguing with on here. You are probably better making this argument on the BBC boards because very few think he's the greatest British fighter of all-time let alone up there with the Ali's. 'One' of the great British fighters is quite right, as he clearly is. We've not had that many great fighters that we can afford to say Calzaghe isn't one of them.
So you only disregard calzaghe because of his opponents/resume but although Frankie W is one hell of a cherry picking mofo who could Joe have fought?? Toney - Fat ****er went to light heavy and beyond before the fight was possible Jones - To busy raping HBO money for fighting plonkers and the risk to reward ratio was never there for either fighter as Yanks think any non yank fighting outside of Yanksville is a bum. Eubank - Not that past it at all when you consider Eubanks performances after the fight plus Calzaghe was on the way up and had never been tested. If you disregard this win then you can disregard Collins' wins over Eubank aswell. Benn - To small imo and did not have the same criplling power at the weight like he did at middle. Has also admited he would not have beaten Calzaghe. Collins - Fight was made date was set Joe was there. Not sure of the ins and outs but thems the facts.
Hooch done a break down of fighters he could have fought in the past- the list is pretty long. Calzaghe was a great brit your right, but not the greatest and not one of the top fighters in the sport of all time for me.
Haha, only reason i'm involved in this thread is because I normally enjoy Jeffs threads/posts (i'm more of a reader than a poster) but just can not get my head round the Calzaghe thing :?. Plus its sunday i'm bored shitless on my own in the house and im waiting for the darts final to start.
Well said. I was very impressed with him and I'm almost tempted to make him my pick to win the tourny. But I think I'll stick with AA for now.
I'm sure they're probably joint favourites or something. I thought from the beginning the winner would come from this fight so I'm sticking with that.
I was just having a wee joke mate, since I have turned over a new leaf here & stopped being a **** I thought it would be funny if me of all people told everyone to get along Debate away fellas, im bored myself stuck in the house & enjoying everyones posts anyway:good
These are the only Sup Mids I can think of tbh, Liles was average, Ottke never left Germany, Froch came along to late