Andre Ward W Tdec 11 Mikkel Kessler

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  1. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    I like the Echols wins too. The Joppy beatdown was also pretty nice. Let's not forget Tarver.
     
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    Being pedantic here, but didn't Wright get hammered by Argentine Julio Cesar Vazquez in his frst world title attempt, getting KD 4 times?
     
  3. brown bomber

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    Only just lost a very close decision which was only as a result of the points lost due to the knockdown... Watch the fight, its brilliant.
     
  4. brown bomber

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    Fair point, the only thing is I don't rate Pavlik at all- much like Calzaghe he was a man in the right division at the right time....:good Holmes would have beaten him i'd imagine.... fair play dan with the Echols fight, he was a good fighter Antwun but lacked that little something.
     
  5. Cobbler

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    The point being that it rather undermines your argument that Hopkins was only ever impressive at middleweight if you then include one of his fights at light heavyweight in his top five wins. Especially when he has two other wins at light heavyweight which also at least contend for inclusion in that list. Personally I'd include both Tarver and Pavlik ahead of the version of Glenn Johnson that had beaten nobody and went to lose pretty much anytime he fought someone with a winning record in his next ten fights.
     
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    He's at home at the moment for a few days, and he generally doesn't post from there
     
  7. brown bomber

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    He operated almost his entire career at middleweight? Often weighing well inside the middleweight limit! He could probably win some fights at heavyweight too but he still primed at middle. Wright was a light middle ffs
     
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    That just makes your statement completely meaningless? He has three stand out career wins at light heavyweight. Why bother trying to construct a formula for downgrading them solely for the purpose of discrediting Calzaghe's win against him? Really, what's the point?
     
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    Now, that's interesting. He beat the man that beat Hopkins twice (debateably in the first fight, but more solidly in the second), and you don't rate him at all?

    I don't rate Pavlik - think he's sloppy and was a defeat waiting to happen, just playing in a very weak division. I think only a little more of Taylor, but can rely on him coming to pieces when it matters most.

    I just think the Pavlik win is better than the Winky win in context and for the guy's abilities and effectiveness at that stage and at that weight.

    Not really fussed one way or the other though - they're good wins. He's an ATG at MW for sure.
     
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    Was it just me or did Kessler's reach look kind of limited.

    I'm starting to kid myself that long armed Froch might have a bit of joy at a distance.
     
  11. brown bomber

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    Froch will beat him- might knock him out bass on that display the other night! Said from the beginning that he wasn't anything that special!
     
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    :rofl

    Jeff, Sorry I wasn't able to come on here and gloat with you :lol: All day on Sunday when I was at a Christening I was sending every ****er on here and my Calzaghe loving mate at home Super Joe songs :lol:

    What will Joe say now if Froch stops Kessler ??? :yep
     
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    ****ing hell I can't bump posts on the works comp :-(
     
  14. TheUzi

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    Totally different fights tho isn't it? Ward used intelligence and an array of defensive skills to frustrate Kessler,Froch has none of this.

    Lets not write Kessler off too quick.:nono
     
  15. brown bomber

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    He is an average, straight up and down boxer, with no head movement and poor lateral movement. Collins would have mauled and both Benn and Eubank would have KO'd his ass. James Toney would have retired him and Jones would have stopped him inside four rounds- whenever he wanted. :deal