anthony joshua is a flawed design

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  1. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    Sky sports money is how he’s paid Mark
     
  2. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    To be fair you only have to read your initial post to determine this
     
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  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't you get that this was gameplan: to defeat Ruiz on cards by using fact that A.J is more mobile on legs and with better reach?
    Ruiz had stopped guys if they get too hot and attempted to KO him.
    Both, Parker in NZ and A.J in Saudi defeated him only on cards.


    Well, I agree that his so called marquee wins are vs " geriartric " opponents and now even this 39 y.o Pulev, absolute underdog.
    If he had fought Usyk, Wilder and Fury ( they are not " geriartric " YET ) then his record looked more impressive.
     
  4. Dodgy Syrup

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    AJ is a weird one.

    He can steamroller opponents and has knock out power.

    On the other hand, he can be very easily figured out and seems to struggle somewhat when things don't go according to plan.

    He's simultaneously very tough to beat and very beatable...if you see my point?

    I have a theory that AJ isn't able to take big shots from big men because he isn't a naturally big man.

    This may sound odd, after all, he's a big heavyweight.

    What I mean though, is he isn't naturally a big guy.

    Tyson Fury is a naturally big guy.

    He has a big head, big heavy arms, and when he let himself go he ballooned up to a ridiculous weight...that's a big man.

    He was a big cumbersome lump at 16 and he will be in 10 years from now.

    Joshua, by contrast, was a tall, skinny, lanky kid who had to bulk up in the gym and if you actually look at him you'll see he has quite small bony hands, long slim fingers, and narrow shoulders.

    Had he not got into boxing and never hit the gym he'd still be a tall lanky guy.

    Not small, but not thickest and heavy boned like a Fury or Ruiz.
     
  5. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    AJ is a good example why Heavyweight boxing is special. You don't have to be a very good boxer with a lot of skills to be right there on the top. You need some basic skills but more important you have to be a very, very good athlete and AJ is probably one of the greatest athletes boxing has seen. He's a prototype athlete. But obviously he's a flawed design in boxing. He lacks a lot of natural skills a guy like Tyson Fury for example has. On the other hand Fury isn't a great athlete but his size and skills are equalizing that big time. It's pretty fascinating.

    Heavyweight boxing just has so much different types.
    You have great athletes with basic skills (AJ)
    You have just raw power puncher with basic skills (Wilder)
    You have great boxing skills with less power and less athleticism (Fury)
    You have zero athleticism but aggressiveness and durability mixed with some solid skills (Ruiz)
     
  6. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The fact of thee matter is that he has already taken big shots from big men and went on to KO those big men. You didn’t offer a good insight here.
     
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  7. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    :lol: Banned.
     
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  8. Dodgy Syrup

    Dodgy Syrup Active Member banned Full Member

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    Yet, he was battered by a little fat bloke...so your insight is largely irrelevant.
     
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  9. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    AJ is a more offensive version of Wlad

    or WAS a more offensive version of Wlad

    which all good and well. Perfect for slamming his offence into smaller men who stand in front of him.

    That's all fine and dandy in till he faces a real fighting man or gets clipped and downed by a little fat man.

    Fury will do what little fat man did without having to get close.

    AJ's biggest flaw is he has limited himself to remain under his amateur coaches. That straight-up style is tailor-made for Fury. Fury can use 10% of his brain power to figure AJ out.
     
  10. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I said nothing but facts when you completely omitted the truth. You said AJ can’t take big shots from big men. Did you not watch the Klitschko and Whyte fights? They not big men who hit hard Nah?
     
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  11. Dodgy Syrup

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    Was he struggling and dazed during phases of those fights?

    Did it take him a few rounds to clear his head?

    Did Ruiz batter him so badly from early on that he was still confused and unsure after multiple rounds and ended up totally outgunned?

    Just because he took a shot, doesn't mean it didn't affect him or rattle him.

    That's the difference.

    A thickset, naturally big man can take those shots and ride them.

    Look at Fury vs Wilder.

    He got up and carried on.

    A smaller guy is out cold...or don't you agree?

    Besides, I never said I was right - I simply said I had a theory based upon seeing images of him as a younger guy...and I am open to the possibility I am wrong.

    Now, if you want a place that never gives opinions and only facts go and read an encyclopedia.

    If you want an echo chamber where everyone agrees, go and find that site.

    However, if you want to argue a point, debate, maybe learn something, and sometimes admit you got it wrong (if you are humble enough), then you go to a forum.

    I have been reading about boxing, watching boxing, following boxing, and enjoying it, since childhood...some 38 years.

    I boxed a little as a teen, and my uncle boxed as an amateur.

    But, I don't claim to know everything or have memorised every date, place, winner...etc...

    I just love the sport and don't care if someone else thinks IDKSAB.
     
  12. Tyistall

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    I love how you guys bring up the Ruiz loss for AJ, but overlook the Wallin 12 round eyesore for Fury. To most of you, the Fury who fought Wilder in the second fight, is the only Fury that exists hahaha. Man, when AJ KO's this overrated fraud, I am going to love it more than I loved watching Wilder get his
     
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  13. Dodgy Syrup

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    Exactly, Fury took far too long trying to break down a (supposedly) sub par fighter.
    Personally, I feel like the cut would have seen the fight stopped way before had it been Wallin who was the one with the injury.

    They simply wouldn't allow the Fury gravy train to be derailed by a cut, and allowed him to carry on when it seemed a suitably severe injury to stop the fight.

    The thing is, about your broader point, Ruiz was very effective and troublesome against AJ, whereas Wallin was never really able to press home any advantage.

    AJ lost to a guy who battered him inside 7 rounds, while Fury stayed on his feet, boxed to his strengths, and if not for the cut would have still taken the rather uninspiring points victory regardless.

    Ultimately, Joshua's loss to Ruiz was much more surprising, devastating, and overwhelming.
     
  14. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He looks like an athlete but AJ lacks the cardio to be considered a supreme athlete as that is probably the #1 prerequisite for being considered an athletic freak.
     
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  15. Somali Sanil

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    The Ruiz loss was absolutely devastating, raised loads of questions and answered them for some. Where as Wallin was a fighter Fury was facing when he wasn’t 100% and on the comeback, AND he still won... The two are in comparable