Anthony Joshua vs The Merciless One Ray Mercer

Nobody dented prime Mercer, not even Lewis who STRUGGLED with him. Windmill Wilder sure as hell wouldn't.

 

Healthy Morrison and Wilder with 2 hands(we know he's got hand issues) absolutely kill Mercer.

 

Yeah the guy who struggled with special ed teacher, french pastry chef and Polish hooligan kills Mercer, I agree!

 

Well the Ortiz fight might be back on. Since Joshua wants absolutely nothing to do with big bad Wilder, if he beats Ortiz would that change your mind about him? Or would it be Stiverne 2.0(the first fight when you and others picked Stiverne and said you'd give him credit).

 

Nothing Wilder has shown suggests he would beat a prime and motivated Mercer(even the inconsistent and lazy Mercer for that matter) Stiverne lost to King and struggled with a decrepit Ray Austin LOL. Yeah you win some lose some, that doesn't make Wilder a great... He's still hasn't proved the hype against a top 10 h2h guy.

 

Answer the question. If he beats Ortiz would it change your perception?

 

"If he beats Ortiz" it depends on the circumstances. If he puts on an educated performance over a long stretch against a SOLID looking Ortiz then yes.... If he windmills his way to a KO victory? Then no.

 

"If he windmills his way to a KO victory? Then no."

So in other words I don't expect you to give him an ounce of credit. Also your top 10 h2h bull**** argument against Wilder holds no weight at all. Ring and boxrec had Stiverne as a top 3 guy. You're such a hater it's sad.

 

Who care's what YOU expect? You're an insane Wilder jockstrap sniffer and nothing more - you asked if I would give him credit if he beat Ortiz(an obviously loaded question) and I answered. Ring and Boxrec aren't arbiter's of that.. Stiverne is obviously a limited guy who only picked up a belt because of the vacuum Klitschko left upon retiring(facing Arreola x2 also helps) if you think the guy who lost to King and went life and death with a shot and decrepit Ray Austin is to 3 h2h then so be it... But don't expect to be taken seriously

 

Nice strawman. Never said he was top 3 h2h. I wouldn't rate him that high. But he was EASILY top 10 in January of 2015 H2H to most people. Though obviously h2h is a subjective topic.

 

Why bring it up then? I don't think Stiverne was ever a top 10 guy H2H... a "bull****" argument to you, based on your bringing up of said rankings. It's partially subjective....

 

This isn't a Wilder Mercer thread mother****er.

 

I wasn't the one who originally initiated the topic

 

What do you mean why did I bring it up? Because it's relevant? I'm not saying ratings are the end all be all, but it does hold some weight. I think it's an extremely fair statement to say Stiverne at the time was considered top 5-10 H2H.

 

Stiverne was a top 10 heavyweight. You're only saying he wasn't because you're a **** gobbling Joshua fan mad that fans are saying that Mercer kos Joshua. Lol