Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury I - Official Prediction and discussion thread

You know I honestly forgot how much time actually elapsed between the Wlad fight and his next bout so touché said thats a fair enough point.
Me personally idk I’m just tough on fighters one of my biggest pet peeves is guys winning vacant titles and calling themselves The Man when they had a chance to really fight The Man and refused. Granted every situation isn’t the same but still[/QUOTE]

 

This fight is just 50-50 in my opinion. Both fighters have a chance.

 

YEah, AJ fans have made up the lie that Ruiz has big power after he trashed Joshua. But the facts are his KO percentage is actually lower than Fury's and that's against much worse opposition.

 

My point was just what you say. That losses happen.

 

Loses happen, esp. when you face dangerous opponents, and opponents that are in form. Lewis avenged his loses, but he have chances to do so. But Oliver McCall didn`t want to be on that ring. I`m pretty sure he would have been bashed hard if he didn`t avenge this 2 loses, even if his opponent decided to run from it. Just like it would be the case with Joshua.
The only way i can bash someone is if he is doing a Wilder. Run from the rematch, but still cry that the other party is somehow guilty for it.
I said it many times, the difference at the top could be just a slight adjustment. You can destroy someone in fight 1, yet he to school you in fight 2.
For me its pity so many fighters are not trying to fight the best possible opposition, just to keep that 0, until they can cash out.
For me the resume is way more important then to have a few loses in your record.

Saying all that, what is your opinion about the fight 2 ? I`m 100% sure that no matter if Joshua win or lose, he will show for the rematch, but can you guys say the same if Fury lose?
He most probably will do what he does against Wlad.
What do you think ?

 

I'm a bit surprised that it's so lopsided for Fury. The Ruiz loss damaged AJ:s standing, but I can hardly see any significance whatsoever for that loss in this fight. You can't find two more different HWs today than Ruiz and Fury.

I don't see a great significance of Fury's stoppage of Wilder either, not much at all apart from that Fury showed he has a really good power jab. But I think a similar game plan here would play into AJ:s hands.

I think his best bet is to fight like he did against Wlad. Maybe more aggressive in spurts to get AJ:s respect.

 

Wlad's reaction and timing from the Joshua fight was really bad. Look how slow he reacted when he had Joshua in trouble for an example.

 

SmackDaBum, to be fair Klitschko was severely past it in the Pulev fight. Not his usual punch output, not his usual footwork, not his usual speed on the jab and right hand. In the Jennings fight his jab was already gone, his right hand pretty much.
His cardio was very much shot too. He rely way more on clinching. Yeah he was using clinching before, but afer Manny past away he start using it way more. Before he used it mostly as a defensively tool.
His energy obviously not going to be the same, but he drops his output significantly. I think the ***** Banks plays a role as well.
I don`t know how could Klitschko ***** up that badly with Banks as a coach. It was a huge mistake. Just like i can`t understand how GGG decided to hire that joke of a trainer.
Anyway yeah he was past it in the Joshua, but he was in the Fury, but i think he was better prepared in the Joshua fight, and he was willing to let his punches go. And he was very close to stopping him. I think a few years earlier and he would have done it.

 

Yes, and that's because Wlad was on a 22-fight, 11 year winning streak at the time.
Joshua was beaten up and stopped badly just 3 fights ago.

I think people were impressed with Fury's tactics, his "new style", his adapting from fight one to fight two, against Wilder.
Don't get me wrong, Wilder is a good win, and Joshua will be a good win.
But realistically, if Fury goes out and beats AJ twice this year, people might well look at the record books and say "well, Ruiz beat him up worse just a couple of years earlier".

Excuses are made whoever loses, yes, I get that point.
But ring rust is a real thing, and I think we all agree that 16 months or more between fights is not ideal at this level, whereas 6 or 7 months is about right. That's just the way it is.
It really doesn't matter anyway. If Fury loses and says "ring rust", there's a rematch anyway, so AJ gets a chance to beat him again. If Fury loses the first fight and it's close, it will be a legitimate talking point about whether the inactivity cost him. If Joshua beats him clearly, it would just come across as a poor excuse.

 

I think the significance of AJ's loss to Ruiz is that it underlined his tendency to gas out and tighten up.
AJ has good stamina over 12 rounds, but he tends to punch himself out at times and needs to take breathers to recover from exertion. Old man Wlad let him off the hook for about 3 whole rounds and allowed him back in, Ruiz pressed him as soon as he hurt him and didn't let up, even when AJ launched a decent rally to get back in.
The other significance is that, faced with that kind of pressure and getting beaten up, ultimately AJ not only succumbed to exhuastion and repeated punches, he also lost heart towards the end, gassed out and unable to find the heart to fight to the bitter end.
All inside 7 rounds.

Fury is completely different style to Ruiz, but he's precisely the sort of fighter who will sense any withering of stamina and resolve in his opponent and find the strength within himself to press the advantage and beat his man down in a battle of wills.

This isn't to say I expect Fury to beat Joshua down and make him quit, but there's significance in the fact that Ruiz kind of did.

 

Wilder has more one punch power than AJ and is less cagey.

 

If Fury weighs in at 270-275, I'm putting down a lot of cash on a KO. Thread incoming.