Anthony Joshua would have knocked out Mike Tyson: Larry Holmes

Takam has 27 kos in 35 wins for a 68 ko % ,I think he hits pretty good.

 

Takam this and Takam that.......he is cannon fodder, if you are the top guy you are supposewd to blow him out rather quickly. Takam 's reputation is that he gives "tough" fights but he never fakking wins anything meaningful....at least in his previous encounters he got laid out cold but Superman Aj could not even do that.

As far as Tyson;s 20th fight, well, he was 20 not 28, fighting every three weeks and a work in progress not a carefully marketed/ hyped up Olympic Gold Medalist and he still won the Tillis/Green fights convincingly/shut out.

The more I think about it, AJ is the reincarnation of Frank Bruno, the look, the hype, the pride of Great Britain etc etc and prime Tyson fighting AJ is a replay of the Bruno fights with possible a quicker result because IMO Bruno had the better chin and he clinched like hell........AJ hooking with Tyson is the quickest way to stare at the ceiling.

 

What you say above about his defense leads me to the conclusion that you don't know what you're looking at, to be honest. He slips, rolls under and with punches and is very good at blocking. He's quite a bit better technically than Lewis, Wlad and Fury. Bowe is the one running him closest.

 

Not sure if you're even being serious.
For a direct comparison, Wladimir could barely land a glove on Tyson Fury. Joshua was almost KO'd by the old man.

"quite a bit better technically than Lewis" ... Lennox Lewis, who I don't even rate as high as most here, had better skills by far. I doubt you'll find anyone who sees it like you do.

I certainly know what I'm looking at.
I saw Takam, who is about 6 inches shorter than Joshua, landing a decent amount of leather despite fighting a defensive fight. And Takam's no speed merchant.
I doubt Takam would land anything much at all on Lewis or Wlad, nevermind T.Fury.

 

On the flip side Fury didn't hurt Wlad in the slightest, since he played it safe while Joshua took risks. But that's a tactical decision, not technical skill. He also had a substantial reach advantage. Not a technical skill either.

Lewis didn't have better technical skills. That you say that makes me sure that you don't know what you're looking at.

Lewis was perhaps tactically superior, but technically he was inferior. He couldn't fight in close and at mid-range like Joshua does. Like Wlad he was very tactically good at using his size advantage, but that's a different thing. Joshua might well never reach the heights Lewis did, but he's technically a more well-rounded fighter.

 

I'll defer to your superior expertise and knowledge. You seem to know more about this than everyone else I've ever spoken to, including some of the professionals around those in question. This is all new stuff to me. Maybe with some further studying I'll one day know what I'm looking at. You've given me plenty to start looking into.

 

Against mediocre opponents. Not against top.

He stopped ancient Botha in 11th, later than 48 y.o. Holyfield did, and after Holy did it.

Also never hurt Povetkin, Parker, Thompson, Perez and of course AJ

I'd rate his power at 6 max. But he's good well schooled boxer

 

AJ has already regained the lustre a world heavyweight champion last enjoyed prior to the bite fight...lewis ushered in the meh era...whilst the guys prior ....foreman,holyfield,even bowe...were box office..had endorsements,the very top sports salaries and mainstream recognition.

Joshua has the youth,look ,punch and appeal...and to varying extents and in their own ways so do wilder and parker....tyson fury is the charasmatic bad boy and wild card...and perhaps the best talker since Ali...theres no reason why he cant have the appeal of mcgregor...he just has to get back to his wlad fight form....

Now so far joshua has shown great potential but he won the ibf belt off a non entity albeit in spectacular style,breazeale and molina were very poor.... takam is his best ein behind the blockbuster with wlad...the wlad fight alone and the manner he won and where makes him the man...

But hes shown.nothing to duggest to me he is even a top 25 all time hw imo...he may end up top 15 if he beats fury and wilder maybe parker and a rejuvenated haye (fat chance)and reigns for 3-4 years makes ten defences..improves in all areas...but ive seen enough to suggest guys like norton,witherspoon,a prime 1991 ruddock,evander holyfield an old 1992 foreman all handle him...

The size thing is bs....bowe,ali,bugner,bruno,lewis,ruddock were all big guys ....since the 70s there have always been big guys....imo 225-235 is the very highest optimum weight ...over that its excess...Joshua is tall 240 is his best weight

 

It doesn't work like that.

I could probably find a time where Audley Harrison took a helacious shot and remained standing.

Anticipation is the main factor in a fighter taking a shot, and the quality of the chin papers over the gaps in it.

 

I'll be surprised if you can.

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Wladimir didn't anticipate that. His expression was like "WTF ?!"
He knew he'd been hit, after.
He was shook.
But he was standing and conscious.

So, either his chin isn't as weak as claim, OR Joshua's punches are somehow lacking a bit in power.
It does work like that.

My guess is that his chin's better than critics have claimed, and Joshua has some fairly serious power.

 

I am with you on Pulev.

He doesn't impress me either.

He was however ranked in the top ten, which made it a credible title fight.

It might just be the case, that we got a better fight by substituting Takam!

 

Fighters with average and even weak chins, sometimes survive helacious shots.

Hence fans of Lewis or whoever, can put together montages of them taking heavy shots, but they still got stopped by whoever.

This is an uppercut.

Even an uppercut that you sort of anticipate, is going to shake your composure somewhat!

Or perhaps Wlad just got better at dealing with it mentally over the years.

 

How many guys have blown him out quickly? Takam had been stopped once prior to Joshua and it wasn't quickly, it was in the tenth round.You are talking nonsense.

 

^ he aint winning fights , that is the point, giving a good account while loosing means jack, you know it I know it.

Are you telling me Lewis, Tyson or Bowe would have gone deep with this guy ? For Christ sake, AJ was TRADING with him and eventually got a Ref stoppage in the eleventh hour......yes AJ was easily winning but he looked average at best and he is definetly not improving.

 

Tyson was an incredible 42-1 favorite over Buster Douglas, who was considered cannon fodder. He got hammered.

Joshua at least got the win at far far more competitive odds.

How would you say Joshua's effort was comparatively?