Anyone can be KO'd ? YES or NO ?

The thing about the left hook to the body is you have to slightly change the angle of the punch to make it more of a hook rather than a hook/uppercut because of the range and it does not quite have the same punishing effect. But I watched MSM vs Johnson and Saad stuck to the basics very well in that fight.

Right, there have been guys with absoloute granite chins KO'd. Roberto Duran takes punches from Leonard, Hagler, Barkley etc... and gets sparked by Hearns.
I understand your argument that Pryor was unhurtable in the Arguello fight's but that is perhaps his mental attitude. If you think of Lupe Pintor when he fought Wilfredo Gomez, Pintor walked through most of Gomez's punches and took some massive wallops but stayed on his feet. Then in the 14th round all of a sudden his body gave way.

Now Pintor in that fight looked amazingly and like Pryor looked unhurtable. I think if Arguello landed afew other big ones on Pryor his body would have to give way like Pintors.

 

Definitely doing your homework here, hope it pays off well come Saturday.

LaMotta described it as a form of "self-hypnosis." (His own words.) In Pryor's case, adrenalin was probably the key.

In the instance of Gomez and Pintor, you make an articulate case for the restoration of the championship distance.

Arguello said about Pryor, "I hit him with good shots, and nothing happens." Alexis himself had as good a killer instinct as anybody, and never got the sense that a few more bombs were going to make any difference. Where their match in Miami is concerned, it must be realized that Arguello did not just begin nailing him flush in rounds 12 and 13, but had connected solidly well before those magnificently picturesque rights, to no avail.

I don't believe any junior welterweight or lightweight in history could have knocked Pryor out on that night, and expect that the Duran of Montreal and DeJesus II, and Aaron's friend and idol Armstrong, would have settled for decision wins over 15. (I also think El Intocable would have driven him up a wall. My declaring the Hawk impervious in that situation is not the same as labeling him invincible, and there are plenty of greats who would have cleanly outscored him, Gans, Canzi, Ross, Loi....even Cervantes had moments in losing the title to Pryor which raise questions about what he might have been able to do at peak form.)

 

Thanks, just working out the fine tuning.

It is definitly a form of self hypnosis. Teddy Atlas often says 'if you dont want to be knocked out it is hard to knock you out.'

It does provide a good argument for that.

Arguello did indeed feel he could'ny hurt Pryor but as you say it was taking till the 12th or 13th until Arguello really started landing on Pryor but even though Pryor had accumulated alot of punishment.

The same was happening to Pintor, and I'm sure if you asked Gomez in the corner in the 12th or 13th he would be saying something similar about Pintor.

The human body can only physically deal with so much damage, the mind is powerful and can force the body through these barriers but only so much then the body has to go. I honestly feel if Arguello landed afew more bombs Pryor's body would have given way due to the accumulation of punishment, no matter how much Pryor tried to stop being hurt.

I agree completly Pryor would be outscored by those greats as he did have a good chin, all I am saying is he COULD be KO'd but his chin should be able to soak up the punishment he would accumulate in a fight.

 

Anyone can be knocked out by the perfect shot from a vicious puncher, BUT sometimes the guy with the granite chin is so far "in the zone" that even a shot that looks flush and unexpected he manages to ride out and roll with. It's more than just his granite chin saving him, it's his state of being, he's kind of hypnotised by his own instinct to survive and totally relaxed in there. He manages to sense every punch coming even if it looks like he got caught flush with a monster shot. Of course he needs an unbelievable chin too.

 

Intriguing post.

 

Eddie Davis was physically and mentally conditioned to a razor's edge when he challenged Michael Spinks. As deadly a puncher as Mike was, Eddie absorbed everything he had, and responded by coming forward. Nobody ever came as close to beating Mike at 175.

When not at that peak of preparation, Eddie's chin was only fair. Marvin Johnson stopped him early in his career, and again the year after Spinks. Qawi dropped him in one, and nearly stopped him then and there before an impressive rally carried him another ten rounds, and LaLonde retired him in two. But for a single match, his chin was as good as anybody's. (Eddie might have gone farther in his career, but he adamantly refused to become dependent on boxing, and worked full time as a department store clerk throughout his time as a professional athlete. Considering how many retired boxers wind up down and out, this was probably astute thinking on his part.)

 

If the fist and the head meet at an angle to snap the head enough, anyone can be KO'd. Part of this has to do with the overall body positioning/current balance of the fighter being punched as well. The entire body plays a role in the "chin".

It seems to be the head snap is what truly sparks guys, instead of just being worn down.

There do seem to be some fighters that can take just about anything they can anticipate coming.

 

No, certain guys just can't be KO'd by a single shot. Guys like Mccall, Hagler. These people will NEVER be KO'd by one punch.

 

Cyclone Hart tried clobbering Hagler after the bell rang. Didn't work. Marv was a beast. (The worst distress I saw him in was when he reeled about the ring in pain after clashing heads with Antuofermo in their rematch. That at least proved he was human and not absolutely impervious, but since when does a punch equate to a clashing of skulls?)

 

It would have been so hard to see Hagler knocked out. He had so much heart and ego that for him to be stopped would have been unheard of, but there has to be someone who could have knocked him out, but who knows who that would be. Mugabi was knocking guys out clean and knocking them across the ring with punches, and he fights a rather rusty Hagler and hits him clean and Marvin is standing there fighting back. Incredible chin.

 

Some people do have stronger "chins" than others by luck of birth. There are also things you can do to lessen your chances of being ko'd. You can be properly hydrated. You can have a strong neck, core and legs. You can roll with the punches. This being said even with the luck of genitics and proper tecneche. No one is built proof.