Anyone else have any trouble supporting Cain because of his "Brown Pride" tattoo?

As I have said countless times on this board, I know firsthand how one generation's harsh life experiences affect the next generation who grew up with greater opportunity. The war and then the immigrant experience were the direct cause of basically every recurring personality trait in my own family. I'm very sure that Cain was even more affected by his father's illegal status.

But Cain Velasquez is not a second-class citizen. I'm sorry, but he isn't. He's an American. He worked his ass off all his life and deserves everything he has. All he knows is working his ass off and making the right choices and steadily improving his situation as he gets older. And he has done a lot with his life. He and his father have managed to live the American dream in super quick time. From illegal immigrant to millionaire celebrity in one generation, in less than 40 years. And Cain has been attracting positive attention, acceptance and validation from early on in his life.

In high school, he captained both the football and the wrestling teams. I find it hard to believe he was a second-class citizen in that high school. :bart

Then he was a wrestling star at Arizona State. I don't think that real second-class citizens attend major universities and travel nationwide representing their multi-million dollar athletic programs. :conf

And now he is a MMA sensation and a mere eight fights into his career, he was given the opportunity to win the title by beating the (white) ass of the biggest moneymaker in the sport. He is the UFC heavyweight champion and the white boss of the organization loves having him at the top of the division. Is he a second-class citizen in the UFC? :huh

In short, who exactly has denied him the ability to achieve the highest goals he can set for himself? What has he been unable to achieve because of the colour of the skin, the culture of his family or the fact that his father was an illegal immigrant field worker? :huh

Wouldn't it be more appropriate for him to get more of an "America, **** yeah" motif?

I understand why he has it, I just think it's a bit stupid, and sends a message that racial cliquishness is very important to Velasquez. I would prefer he did not have such a statement so prominently inked on his skin.

Let's put it another way.

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If he's going to get a tattoo, I would prefer that he gets one that makes him look like what he is. Which is an overachieving, hardworking, very admirable professional athlete who remembers where he came from.

But his tattoo doesn't do that. Instead, IMO it makes him look like a stereotypical low-class idiot, because it's a racial message shouted out in Gothic capitals. Since I'm a fan of his and I don't have brown skin, but rather the skin colour that "brown pride" instructs its own to watch out for, I would rather that he didn't have that tattoo. Really I can't see why this is so difficult to grasp or such an out of line stance. :conf

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Are you really this dense? atsch How about responding to what I am actually saying, instead of reflexively playing the ****ing victim?

Where did I say that people who are part of the "Brown Pride movement" are low class idiots?

I said that, IN MY OPINION, Cain's tattoo MAKES HIM LOOK like a low-class INDIVIDUAL. Do you understand the difference? And that is in no way a ridiculous statement.

Gothic capitals screaming about race, tattooed all across his chest. That looks low-class no matter who it's drawn on. And the larger and more prominent the tattoo is, the more aggressive and confrontational it looks.

He was and will be a higher class than basically everyone else around him for pretty much his whole life. Captain of the football AND the wrestling teams in school, and you are trying to pass him off as an oppressed, marginalized outsider? Get the **** out of here. atsch

And now he's not "a higher class than say a labourer."

He's a higher class than ANY of us. He is richer and more famous and more celebrated than anyone on this board, and fair enough. He is a high enough class that he now makes money just off his name and image.

No, you're right. I didn't realize that, this concept is far beyond my understanding. As a white man I could obviously never understand the concept of being proud of your impoverished family. Obviously my white skin means that I come from a long line of rich people, right? People who never knew what it was like to flee a ruined homeland and arrive in a foreign land seeking a better life. To be unable to speak the language, with no qualifications and no education to speak of, facing racism and discrimination from the mainstream community. To work all day in **** jobs and get exploited because they had to take what was there just to get by and hope that their kids could have a better chance.

Oh wait. THAT IS MY FAMILY'S EXPERIENCE TOO, YOU ****ING PATRONIZING RACIST. :-(

Great, I'm not about to get a massive "WHITE PRIDE" tattoo in Gothic lettering either, but if I did it wouldn't mean that you would look at me and assume that I'm some lower class person, right?

Great. Hey, is it in the mestizo culture to get ugly Gothic-lettering tattoos? That particular Germanic font, does it have a meaningful connection to mestizo culture? Or does it mostly appear on racist gang members? Can you answer honestly?

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I have said multiple times that I understand why Cain got the tattoo. I just think that it is over the top and needlessly confrontational, and it looks low-class. Just the same as a massive "WHITE PRIDE" in Gothic lettering all over my chest would make ME look low-class.

You act like Cain is part of this labour class himself, and his tattoo is a reflection of the frustration that he feels because he, along with all other brown-skinned people, is a second-class citizen. He isn't. He is an AMERICAN, and he has lived the American dream all his life. When he got that tattoo, he was ALREADY known, accepted, respected and recognized for his work ethic and achievements. What stories can Cain Velasquez tell about being denied the opportunity to achieve his goals because the white man wouldn't let him? :-(

In all your posts in this thread, you have not acknowledged even a single point that I have made. All you have done is tell me I'm wrong, tell me I don't understand, and call me ***gis like a 14 year old would. :-(

All you can do is see your own point of view. Because brown pride means a lot to YOU, and YOU share Cain's general heritage, YOU will absolutely refuse to consider the debate from any point of view other than your own narrow, racially-biased worldview. You will not budge even one inch from that. I have tried to see this from YOUR perspective, have you made even a cursory effort to see it from MY perspective? :blood

You talk about mestizo culture, but are massive, confrontational tattoos in Gothic script part of that culture? Or are they generally seen as being part of street gang culture?

I actually looked up "mestizo" to learn more. What I found was that it basically means a racially mixed person. In other words, a person who is genetically and culturally part European.

Which makes Cain's tattoo even MORE inappropriate. atsch

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