Anyone see Foreman/Cooper?

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    How do you see Foreman vs Ellis going?
     
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    I'm not sure if Ellis had the durability to survive Foreman's power, but I think he had the right style to at least give him trouble, perhaps even catch him on an off night. Foreman struggled with boxers, or at least ones who were decent boxers.

    What's your take on it?
     
  3. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I pretty much agree with your analysis. He's got the style to trouble Foreman, but i think Foreman's power will get him through to a KO win. If Ellis was a bit more durable, i would be more confident. But even a skilled boxer is gonna have to take some licks along the road against Foreman.
     
  4. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The two of you have produced an intriguing dialogue about Foreman/Ellis. I hope you won't mind if I chime in it.

    Frazier had speed Foreman was lacking, and undersized Jimmy Young was very effective against George. Ellis was tremendous against the bull-strong Bonavena, doing much better against Ringo than Frazier or Ali. (I realize Muhammad took out Bonavena in round 15, but Ellis may well have turned the trick too, if he had 15 rounds to work with, instead of only 12.) Ellis was also a fast starter, so he wasn't likely to get caught early by Foreman. I suspect Ellis could prevail in much the same manner that Young did, although George easily had the power to take him out. Did Foreman have the necessary speed and endurance needed to reach Ellis often enough to carry it off though (as Frazier did)?
     
  5. mr. magoo

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    I suppose if Ellis could stay out of reach long enough to pick up points and take George into the later rounds, he might have been able to pull off a victory. He was afterall a very talented boxer, with good speed and indurance. I guess the real issue(s) are

    A. Could he take Foreman's punches

    B. Could Foreman land enough to make the difference.

    I can't produce an answer to either of these questions.
     
  6. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Oddly enough, the boxer with the smoothest win over latter-day Foreman was Tommy Morrison, which shows just how good a boxer Morrison could be.
     
  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Of course not.

    That is indeed a must against Foreman. As long as he uses that fast start to avoid punch exchanges.

    I think the answer to that is quite clearly: no, Foreman does not have the endurance that Frazier had to wear a boxer like Ellis down.
    This is why Frazier is such a great fighter at destroying "boxing" type of fighters. He has the speed and the stamina that will wear them eventually.

    Foreman is gonna have to have one of those moments as he had against Norton. Which i think he has a good chance of. If not it's Young all over again indeed.
     
  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've heard the same story, just not that George had anything to do with it.

    Supposedly Cooper was up for 72 hours straight on a crack binge and had a few woman in his room all night right before this fight.
     
  9. apollack

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    The fight was a total joke. Don't even try to sell it. Cooper didn't even try. He wasn't even hurt actually. He decided just to quit after doing little, and taking little. He was obviously in his drug stage at that point. Not saying he woudl beat Foreman even at his best, but having seen him against Holyfield, Moorer, and Mercer, to compare that Cooper with the one that showed up against Foreman would be utterly ridiculous. They were two different people. I remember after the fight the commission was immediately talking about suspending his purse for non performance, and rightfully so.

    As for Foreman - Jimmy Ellis, it woudl be a total joke of a fight. Foreman would knock Jimmy out with absolutely no problem. George was way too big and strong and imposing of a figure for Jimmy.