Anyone think Haye DIDN'T beat Valuev?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by mcguirpa, Nov 8, 2009.


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  1. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Valuev didn't land any punches! How can he win?
     
    mike464, Nov 8, 2009
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  2. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had Valuev 116-113.

    But I did score it how I thought the Germans would score it.

    I.e, if Haye didn't win clearly Valuev got the round.

    I'm still surprised by the scorecards. For one reason or another Valuev didn't get his usual 'insurance'.
     
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  3. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    No offence mate, but thats insane, factoring in corruption into your scoring :huh

    I've just watched the fight again and scored it wider this time around ...I can't really find anyway to give Valuev anything of significance, its embarrassing
     
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  4. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was pissed mate.

    Early start, Cardiff-Swansea, right thru England Australia and then Wales-All Blacks.

    It sounded logical at the time and I was dumbfounded that I wasn't spot on :nut
     
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  5. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    :rofl
     
    icemax, Nov 9, 2009
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  6. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You'll notice I gave one round all square too, Haye must have been well on top.
     
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  7. mcguirpa

    mcguirpa Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think when I was watching it (I'd been on the **** aswell) I'd got into the mindset that unless Haye was REALLY doing the business and putting it beyond doubt then Valuev would get the nod.

    But... a couple of things.

    Valuev did land occasionally. Yes haye made him miss a lot, as expected, but there were times he got caught cleanly. And I actually thought Valuev wobbled him slightly at one point when Haye was against the ropes. Although i don't recall what round it was.

    The other thing is Haye's output was atrociously low and this definitely contributed to me seeing it more in Valuev's favour initially. I think he should have made his speed advantage count a lot more.

    Last point...

    How on earth is haye going to beat Vitali? Would he have to employ similar tactics? Vitali hits harder than Valuev, he has a better chin than Valuev, he's faster, more accurate and more mobile than Valuev. Haye showed on saturday that he's aware he has stamina issues (the reason for the low punch output IMHO), so he won't want it going into the later rounds.

    IMVHO he can't run, he can't hide and he can't KO Vitali without being KO'd first.
     
    mcguirpa, Nov 9, 2009
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  8. Scratch

    Scratch Active Member Full Member

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    Practically everyone I know did that.

    Including me.

    I thought Haye won comfortably...but I'd have bet money Valuev would have got the decision.
     
    Scratch, Nov 9, 2009
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