Archie Moore went 65-3-2 at heavyweight during his career. An unbelievable record. He did fail against the three ATG heavyweights he fought, but every 'good' heavyweight he fought he pretty much dominated. It seems to me in order for a heavyweight to beat Archie Moore, he better be a borderline great fighter. How does this win resume stack up in history to other heavyweights? Archie beat Nino Valdes 2x- 6'3 210lb # 1 heavyweight contender Bob Baker- 6'2 210lb # 4 heavyweight contender Clarence Henry- 6'1 185lb # 3 heavyweight contender These men were the 3 best young top contenders in the division. These 3 were also the most avoided contenders in the divison by the greats of the era. Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Rocky Marciano did not record a single win against these men, despite all three being ranked very highly by Ring Magazine during the time these men fought. Looks like Ole Mongoose did all the dirty work for the other greats of the era. other ranked contenders Archie beat Jimmy Bivins- 4x. # 6 rated heavyweight contender in 1948. Bivins was still a very good fighter in the late 1940s when Moore beat him. Alejandro Lavorante- 6'4 212lb # 4 rated heavyweight contender. Hatchetman Sheppard- 5'11 185lb # 6 rated heavyweight contender. Bob Dunlap- 5'11 180lb # 4 rated heavyweight contender. other Fringe Contenders/solid journeyman Archie beat Jimmy Slade James J Parker- 6'3 211lb Embrell Davidson- 6'2 200lb. Highly touted prospect. Buddy Walker Rusty Payne Bob Satterfield Bert Whitehurst 2x Willie Bean- 6'2 211lb Howard King 3x Phil Muscato Abel Cestec 2x- 6'4 223lb Alberto Santiago Lovell- 6'3 200lb Hans Kalfbell- 6'3 210lb Frank Buford Pete Radamcher Willie Besmanoff Georges Parmentier- 6'6 233lb Archie's career record against men above 200lb = 22-1 with 19 knockouts
This really makes young Patterson's easy victory over him seem quite impressive. Didn't Archie score a devastating KO against a fringe contender (Lavorante?) before his last fight, against Clay? Pretty good for someone that ancient.
damn, thanks man. i always underrated his resume at heavyweight apparently! i thought he was a great light heavy that moved up with little success (mainly cause his best known fights are losses)...i have to check out that satterfield fight if it's available
Well, the fact is that the three men who beat him at heavyweight were not borderline greats, but great, period. The first undefeated heavyweight champion, the first two time heavyweight champion, and the first three time heavyweight champion. Charles get ranked the all time top light heavyweight primarily at Archie's expense. (Moore was also knocked out by Ezz at the worst possible time to be in the opposite corner, the last match Charles had before the Baroudi tragedy took some of the starch out of Ezz.) In his 1962 draw with Pastrano, Archie took the only card which didn't score it a draw. Patterson produced a startlingly great performance against him, but Archie also called it the worst performance of his own career. Had Archie managed to nab the heavyweight title, he probably would weighed around 200 to 210 pounds through the remainder of his career. He was naturally heavier and more solidly built than Bob Foster. (And a comparison of their heavyweight resumes is revealing, isn't it?)
Yes. I think this is by far patterson's best performance on film. Patterson is very underrated h2h. He had the best blend of technique/speed/power I have ever seen until Mike Tyson came along. Patterson would defeat most heavyeights in history below 200lb, and many above. Too fast and technical for most of them. Lavorante wasn't just a fringe contender, he was a top rated heavyweight contender(#4). He was big and powerful 6'4 212lb and young. He recently scored an impressive knockout over Zora Folley. Archie Moore fought Lavorante at age 46! Moore beat up Lavorante so badly he had to be carried out of the ring on a stretcher! :shock:
Amazing and considering one loss was against Marciano where he was badly battered and 8 years later to Ali...the one to Floyd was after the Marciano battering...The thing with Archie is that his greatest win streak was leading to the Marciano fight a truley amazing man and I can see why he was avoided and fought the avoided
That´s what I wanted to say. Both have arguments to rank higher than most beltholders later on. Both could/should be Top30 hws.
Patterson vs Moore on 11/30/1956 Roy Shire wrestler met Archie Moore in a boxing match on September 8, 1956 in Ogden, Utah, losing on a third-round TKO due to a cut. The two later were a part of a boxer -vs- wrestler match in Indianapolis in 1960 in connection with the wrestling promotion. Following his days as a wrestler, Shire was a wrestling promoter in San Francisco. 1956-07-25 : Archie Moore 186½ lbs beat James J. Parker 211¼ lbs by TKO at 2:02 in round 9 of 15 Location: Maple Leaf Stadium, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Referee: Billy Burke 7-0 Judge: Jackie Johnson 7-0 8-0 Photo #2, Photo #3, Photo #4, Photo #5 "Archie Moore, San Diego, Calif., chopped up James J. Parker with the greatest of ease last night. Referee Billy Burke called a TKO in 2:02 of the 9th. The outclassed lanky Toronto heavyweight dripped blood from cuts around the left eye and was absorbing heavy punishment while pinned against the ropes when the end came. Parker was in way over his head with the old master. Moore at 186 1/2 gave away 24 3/4 pounds, almost 5 inches in height and 2 inches in reach and still outjabbed his opponent. He feinted Parker into a pretzel and sliced the left eye as early as the 4th." -Associated Press Post fight comments "Before the 9th, I had him where I wanted him. He was floundering around but I didn't want to take any undue advantage and hurt him. He's a good kid and I didn't want to spoil his future." -Archie Moore "Moore never hurt me, although I couldn't see out of the eye from the 4th on. Don't believe all that stuff about Archie being 43 years old. That's all malarkey. He can really step." -James J. Parker