Artur Beterbiev had an “atypical finding" for test and HGH

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  1. Thunderstorm

    Thunderstorm Active Member Full Member

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    its always the russians and ukrainians
     
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  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I think the chances all of them are on the Sweet Juice is higher than that 10% of the elite are not on the sweet juice.
    Back in the day when i was juicing and the gym i was going was owned by a friend and obviously he was selling. And i can tell you that 90% of the people in that gym was on roids. You won't believe how average looking guys, without even definition on their muscle were on Peds.
    And most were lying that they are natural. And i was laughing inside, as i knew their cycles in-depth, as i had the info from the seller :D.

    I think this is very appropriate quote:
    Nate Diaz "Everybody's on steroids"
    [url]https://youtube.com/shorts/d-H6oeRHg2k?si=2wKrPjkq0rYlxZmp[/url]
     
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  4. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Exactly this. Wanted to say this, but my English is lacking.
    I don't accuse anyone i have opinion for myself. I think when someone pop, even like this, when it's not real pop, it's cause they messed something. Just because someone pass 100 test, doesn't mean they clean. They just mask it better.

    As far as the test results and levels, and the vary depends on the day, this is with a lot of things, when you are getting tested. But all of their test are done early on the morning on an empty stomach. So this ain't a factor for sure.
    Weight, and diet can be, and i can confirm it, as i have done lab results that include test, as my nutritionist wanted me to do, and in the span of 3 months they were very different. And i have been clean for years, and wasn't taking any supplements or so(not that they help :D).

    My first was on the lower end, still in the fine limit, but on the low end, and in 3 month i was closer to the upper limit.

    The thing is we have no idea what their "indicators" are, and how much they can vary.
    For HGH can't say a s**** as it's dangerous and i have never wanted to know anything about it.
     
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  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's not nothing, as Smith and Hearn now will bragging about it for ages. Which is going to be pathetic, especially since the Conor Benn saga. And Benn is a dirty cheater for sure, there isn't any question in there.
    The moment you try to get away with suing the doping agency and try to safe your ***, hiding behind rules, excuses, eggs, boar meats, lawyers, jurisdiction, etc, etc, it's clear as day.

    And i think i make it clear that it's just elevated, and he practically did not fail a drug test. They also tested him after that, prolly keep a strict eye on him, and the next few tests were fine.

    Still this ain't a good look, especially knowing that Bivol already signed for 2 fights for the Undisputed.
     
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  6. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Benn and Whyte sagas have highlighted the hypocrisy of Eddie Hearn (and all these promoters tbh).
     
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  7. Reinhardt

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    That's it, at 39 to have elevated levels of testosterone requires taking drugs. It's not arguable.
     
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  8. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Couldn't give a ****. Every single fighter you love to watch is on something. The matter of who gets caught has become a weapon of those with resources and political connections.
     
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  9. Mickc

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    Does Beterbiev have any TUE exemptions,has he been taking any medications after the jaw surgery iirc that delayed the fight ? As mentioned certain substances can cause a false positive with naturally occurring steroids found naturally in the human body. Testing agency’s never release there findings it seems unless the levels found are above the allowed limits,they also mention elevated levels of Nandrolone (UKAD Fury) Povetkins case (VADA) was trace elements which was from Meldonium use before its ban. Then there is cases like Whyte and Benn (UKAD) one found with Dianabol metabolites in his system which is not naturally occurring,but was cleared and the other fighter had two failed tests for Clomifene which is used as a PCT to put levels back to normal after a steroid cycle and was also cleared . Saunders was stripped for using a nasal spray containing Oxilofrine which under WADA and UKAD rules is only a fail if found on the day of the fight however VADA prohibits its use at all times so failed him. It clearly shows that testing is a mine field as well as there being more steroids/Peds than there are currently tests to find them hence why they hold onto the samples for so long as well as it seems not all testing agency’s are on the same page as each other .
     
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  10. RJJFan

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    That's because Chechnyans have an atypical amount of man in them.
     
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  11. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He is Drago IRL.
     
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  12. Bokaj

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    Russia's Olympic teams were doping like nuts when Beterbiev competed for them, so I'd be very, very surprised if he wasn't on the sauce by then. Also unlikely that he went cold turkey as a pro and was unfortunate enough to have an "atypical" result.
     
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  13. AdamT

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    Yeah I have been I hardcore gyms where the majority used. Gym I am in now is more commercial, but many still use. There are many that dabble in juice but either have horrible genetics, or have no clue so pass as natural

    I'm 40 this year. Haven't taken anything in years, so may get my blood checked and see what my hormones look like.

    I feel OK, but definitely finding recovery a bit harder now
     
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  14. Mickc

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    It seems a few Countries at it over the years for example Dianabol was given to the American weight lifting team in the 1960 Olympics yet they still lost to the Soviets. Vitali (Ukraine) was removed from the Olympic team for Steroid use. German athletes used Turinabol tabs. Cycling is still the sport with the most ped fails with Weight Lifting in second and Boxing in third.
    [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bosley_Ziegler[/url]

    Interesting links
    [url]https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/06/29/what-sports-have-the-worst-doping-problems/[/url]
    [url]https://ethicsunwrapped.utexas.edu/case-study/east-germanys-doping-machine#:~:text=The government recruited athletes at,were handed out like candy[/url].
     
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  15. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    who bribed a local farmer $25,000 to take the wrap, like the coward he is:

    [url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8514761/Pig-farmer-claimed-offered-25-000-clear-Tyson-Fury-drugs-test-drops-allegations.html[/url]

    :treadmill:

    Nice try though, NEET
     
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